Any one having sucess with PMS Lobbying Admission

Discussion in 'ROTC' started by Azmomm, Dec 8, 2010.

  1. Azmomm

    Azmomm Member

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    Title says it all.
    Just checking if anyone has heard and wants to disclose which colleges have a PMS willing to work with admissions office to advocate for the ROTC scholarship recipient. I was hoping they could inform the admissions office that, yes this is our first choice and if accepted yes we will attend.
     
  2. Pima

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    Not sure what your goal/intention is here.

    Are you looking to see colleges that do this to use for your college pick? Or are you looking to see if there is way to get your PMS to do this for you?

    Some colleges "talk" to ROTC, some do not.

    I would suggest contacting your PMS to see if they "talk" with admissions. That is about all you can do. If they do, you can try to see their level of support for you. If they don't than the conversation ends there, because that is their system.

    I would not suggest selecting colleges based on if they "talk". 4 yrs of your life is a long time to endure just because you applied to colleges that are on the list of working with ROTC for admissions compared to those that don't.

    If you have particular colleges you are genuinely interested, just list them, and I am sure anybody who has gone through the process will give you a definitive answer to the best of their personal knowledge.
     
  3. DougBetsy

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    It was our experience that the Recruiting Operations Officer (ROO) was more accessible than the PMS. Son kept her informed of his milestones in the app process and notified her when his SAT score rose 160 pts. We think that was the tipping point. Once his SAT was above the college's midpoint she began showing more interest in him and even relayed some info from Admissions.

    The PMS was polite to us, but the ROO really provided the most interaction with Son. Based on that, I'd suggest directing your attention to your ROO might be just as worthwhile as the PMS.
     
  4. clarksonarmy

    clarksonarmy Recruiting Operations Officer at Clarkson Army

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    I just sent a list today up to our admissions office, letting them know who had received scholarship offers. I also sent a personal email to the admissions counselors responsible for two of the offerees who hadn't applied yet. Not sure what information you are looking for. Are you asking if this regularly happens, or are you looking for some particular schools that have this relationship. My guess is that you will probably have a little better chance of encountering a battalion that has some leverage at a smaller, less selective school.

    Hope that helps
     
  5. DougBetsy

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    Expensive private schools might like ROTC students, too. If the Army is paying full sticker price for a cadet's tuition, it allows the college to shift financial aid (small though it may be) to other students.
     
  6. Azmomm

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    Thank you for the reply everyone. I am not asking anyone to do anything they do not think is fair. The reason I ask is that I do believe that the college my D is applying is concerned that many students use it as a safety. It would make a real difference if a member of the battalion, just my uninformed opinion, were to provide a list of all the accepted cadets to admissions. They of course may use or ignore it as they see fit. For the record, I wish my D would have been interested in Clarkson
     
  7. clarksonarmy

    clarksonarmy Recruiting Operations Officer at Clarkson Army

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    Concur that the expensive schools usually like paid for cadets. The problem for us is that sometimes the expensive schools (especially here in the Northeast) are a little tougher to get into, and a scholarship offer doesn't carry much wait when all their applicants are high achievers, who are all coming with lots of scholarships and financial aid (picture Harvard or Cornell). They don't always want to take into account the fact that the applicant is paid for. Therefore some Battalions don't always have leverage with the admissions process.
    From an admissions standpoint, their challenge is to make sure they know how many students are coming each semester. Are there going to be enough to pay the bills, or did they extend too many acceptances, and now they have 3 students living in a two person dorm room. If your D can convey to the Battalion, and the school that he intends to come to the school if accepted that is what they want to hear.
    Thanks for the vote of confidence too.
     
  8. Pima

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    Have you asked the BN if they talk to admissions? We can all give you generalizations, but it is best that your SON, not YOU, call the BN and ask this question. They are the ones that know this answer. For all you know they have already supplied his name to admissions.

    That being stated, as Clarkson said, ROTC is not the only factor, it can be a mitigating factor if they are on the cusp, but I would not say that just because you have the scholarship in hand that it will be a large impact. How does he rack and stack for the school?

    Have you gone to www.collegeconfidential.com and posted this on that specific college board. Many parents and students will be more than to happy to chance him and tell him how much at that college ROTC has an impact on the admissions process.
     
  9. -Bull-

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    Im glad you said this. Most candidates and their families go straight to the PMS and expect him to give 100% of his/her time to the candidate. You have to understand Army ROTC has an officer whose only job is to recruit and bring in cadets. The PMS (atleast at my battalion) is busier than I can imagine. He has 2 million things he has to do everyday for cadet command in addition to the 2 million things he has to do for the university and battalion. So if you really want to have the most interaction with a battalion, make sure you contact the ROO first and see what he/she has to offer, because they get paid to deal only with you.

    Regards
     
  10. sg1fan93

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    I actually am going through this right now, and the best thing I've found is to email the ROO directly and just ask them any questions you have. I found out from two schools that they do indeed try to hurry up applications for the scholarship students.
     
  11. educateme

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    I am PM'ing you.
     

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