Any rumors on Cadet BRANCHING timeframe?

More delays?

JCC, I'm with you. DS said he is too busy to worry about it right now. This Thursday he has exams in two classes that are worth 25% each, so he was happy the first delay would avoid distractions. Next week they are prepping for FTX the weekend before Thanksgiving. That will cost him three days of researching and paper writing, Although he gets a couple days of study time back because they have to be on campus early the 29th to clean the football stadium after a Thanksgiving Friday game, and it's too far to drive home once again.

In addition to the Dec. commissioning cadets, I worry about how many will be forced Reserve/Guard who are not already planning for it...Their time with the University employment services nearby is rapidly diminishing. I know my DS has not had his heart into researching or setting up campus interviews, when his desire is AD for the next 4 (20!) years...Hopefully these delays result in fewer cadets put into this position.

I had not heard the Dec. date until I logged on...After four years of USAR and 2 1/2 of ROTC, I well know the rallying cry of the US Military: Hurry up and Wait!
 
DS whizzed through for drill this week. I do not think OML was even on his mind. He is way toooo busy to be concerned with it. I finally asked ...... but there was nothing to say or tell.
 
PMS and SMI are at the brigade senior leader workshop and based on their brief from the CG yesterday, they are still tracking 18 November as the day results should be released. They said meeting with CSA is scheduled for 0830 on the 18th and the expectation is that results will be approved. Granted nothing is ever completely set until the date changes 2 or 3 more times, but they're pretty optimistic.
 
-Bull- said:
PMS and SMI are at the brigade senior leader workshop and based on their brief from the CG yesterday, they are still tracking 18 November as the day results should be released. They said meeting with CSA is scheduled for 0830 on the 18th and the expectation is that results will be approved. Granted nothing is ever completely set until the date changes 2 or 3 more times, but they're pretty optimistic.
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Thank you for your update.

It would seem that certain schools are trying to reassure their cadets concerning the late release of AD/Branch detail. It would seem that a briefing and signature on the 18th is all that stands in the way, with luck.
 
My son is worried about the active duty as well. He was told if numbers are true he has a 60% chance for his choice. My big question is when they evaluate a GPA do they look at the amount of credits taken?? Son has a triple major so 21 credits a semester his GPA is barely a 3.5
 
No, it's a straight up conversion whether he's a triple Aerospace-physics-interstellar basket weaving major at MIT, or a political science major at the local directional U.
 
Got sent a bunch of notes from the CG brief at the senior leaders conference covering everything from accessions to curriculum to what CLC should look like. Once I get some free time later, I'll pass on the highlights.

On the point of accessions, CG said 94% of cadets who accessed active duty got 1 of their top 3 choices. And 300 more cadets requested reserve forces than last year.
 
-Bull- said:
On the point of accessions, CG said 94% of cadets who accessed active duty got 1 of their top 3 choices. And 300 more cadets requested reserve forces than last year.
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I had a feeling more cadets would be requesting Reserves this year given the civilian job market getting better. 300 is a significant number. I wouldn't be surprised to see this trend continue for a while. My son had found some more lucrative job opportunities outside the military, he still wants Active Duty but it was interesting to see things open up a bit.

This will help the chances for those cadets wanting Active Duty.

PMS's have done a good job this year counseling cadets on branch selections if it holds true that 94% get one of their top 3 choices.

Good luck everyone, it will be great if they actually make the next deadline.
 
I've got some free time, but I'll keep just this to accessions stuff since it's relevant to the thread.

For this year:
-65% accessed Active Duty received their first choice.
-94% accessed AD received 1 of their top 3.
-300 more cadets requested reserve forces than last year.
-Average GPA for ALL accessed was 3.2.
-Average GPA for AD was 3.4 (there are many below this, but this is the average)
-Branch Detail numbers were less than last year.
-35% who requested Branch Detail received it.
-West Point was also given a Branch Detail mission for the first time.
-There were more Combat Arms slots for ROTC this year.
-Active Duty Aviation slots were cut by 25 (not percent).

Breakdown for this year (FY15):
-2640 AD
-175 AD Nurse Corps
-175 Med Service Corps
-100 ED Delay
-5 USAR Nurse Corps
-860 USAR
-1495 ARNG
-5350 Total

This information is only relevant to those accessed this year. I'll post the changes to the OML and other things that will affect accessions for future year groups later. I do know that they are looking to shift accessions to the left so that it will be completed, other than the CLC standardized tests, at the end of the MSIII year. They are looking to have branch/component results released by mid-September in the future, however ED Delay board will still convene in October.

I'll post more later.
 
MS4 here- any idea what the AD cut off line will be then? My OML post drop was 87.3 and put IN #1 with ADSO.
 
Encouraging update

-Bull- said:
I've got some free time, but I'll keep just this to accessions stuff since it's relevant to the thread.

For this year:
-65% accessed Active Duty received their first choice.
-94% accessed AD received 1 of their top 3.
-300 more cadets requested reserve forces than last year.
-Average GPA for ALL accessed was 3.2.
-Average GPA for AD was 3.4 (there are many below this, but this is the average)
-Branch Detail numbers were less than last year.
-35% who requested Branch Detail received it.
-West Point was also given a Branch Detail mission for the first time.
-There were more Combat Arms slots for ROTC this year.
-Active Duty Aviation slots were cut by 25 (not percent).

Breakdown for this year (FY15):
-2640 AD
-175 AD Nurse Corps
-175 Med Service Corps
-100 ED Delay
-5 USAR Nurse Corps
-860 USAR
-1495 ARNG
-5350 Total

This information is only relevant to those accessed this year. I'll post the changes to the OML and other things that will affect accessions for future year groups later. I do know that they are looking to shift accessions to the left so that it will be completed, other than the CLC standardized tests, at the end of the MSIII year. They are looking to have branch/component results released by mid-September in the future, however ED Delay board will still convene in October.

I'll post more later.
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Thanks for the udpate, once again it appears a solid GPA was essential.
 
2640 AD is actually higher then I had expected though I think it's still a small drop from last year. The 3.4 GPA average for AD seems a bit higher then in the past, probably due to the fewer AD numbers.

The things I found interesting were that WP now has Branch Details, I wonder how that was received. The second thing was that ROTC was given more Combat Arms, MFE, or whatever they're calling it this week.

As far as those branching in the future...

They are looking to have branch/component results released by mid-September in the future.
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This is great news, this means the cadets should find out by the first part of October.
 
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gotta ask, since West Point comments were thrown into this, do these numbers represent West Point grads too, or just traditional ROTC and SMC's.
 
QA1517 said:
gotta ask, since West Point comments were thrown into this, do these numbers represent West Point grads too, or just traditional ROTC and SMC's.
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These are numbers for ROTC only.

West Point has there own specific branching process.
 
so if 3.4 is the average, where do you think a minimum cutoff would be for OML points?
 
fgr0001 said:
so if 3.4 is the average, where do you think a minimum cutoff would be for OML points?
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Not sure what you mean by minimum cutoff for OML points.

If your referring to GPA there isn't really a cutoff, for example, in my older son's class there was a cadet that had a 2.7 GPA, he had a 300 APFT, received an E at LDAC, Top 5 and Recondo. This cadet got Active Duty and was at the 49% mark on the AD OML. While the GPA is worth 40% there is still 60% that accounts for the cadets total score. A cadet with a 3.4 GPA that has a 225 APFT, very low Battalion OML, poor evals, and a low LDAC score could still find themselves forced Reserves.

Cadet Command does not start out by assigning a cutoff number. CC and the Army decide how many Active Duty 2LT's they need to fill their mission. The last cadet on that list is what determines the fabled cutoff line.
 
Jcleppe said:
Not sure what you mean by minimum cutoff for OML points.

If your referring to GPA there isn't really a cutoff, for example, in my older son's class there was a cadet that had a 2.7 GPA, he had a 300 APFT, received an E at LDAC, Top 5 and Recondo. This cadet got Active Duty and was at the 49% mark on the AD OML. While the GPA is worth 40% there is still 60% that accounts for the cadets total score. A cadet with a 3.4 GPA that has a 225 APFT, very low Battalion OML, poor evals, and a low LDAC score could still find themselves forced Reserves.

Cadet Command does not start out by assigning a cutoff number. CC and the Army decide how many Active Duty 2LT's they need to fill their mission. The last cadet on that list is what determines the fabled cutoff line.
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sorry, the way I asked that wasn't really clear. I meant as in the OML score out of 100. But thank you for the answer!
 
As far as those branching in the future...

I still wonder if the ROTC enrollment numbers will go down in the next few years due to the changes, financial and otherwise, taking place. Time will tell.
 
Jcleppe said:
Not sure what you mean by minimum cutoff for OML points.

If your referring to GPA there isn't really a cutoff, for example, in my older son's class there was a cadet that had a 2.7 GPA, he had a 300 APFT, received an E at LDAC, Top 5 and Recondo. This cadet got Active Duty and was at the 49% mark on the AD OML. While the GPA is worth 40% there is still 60% that accounts for the cadets total score. A cadet with a 3.4 GPA that has a 225 APFT, very low Battalion OML, poor evals, and a low LDAC score could still find themselves forced Reserves. .
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I would hope that cadet would get AD if he wants. I'll take that cadet all day long over somebody with a 4.0 GPA, a 240 APFT and no skills to lead
 
QA1517 said:
As far as those branching in the future...

I still wonder if the ROTC enrollment numbers will go down in the next few years due to the changes, financial and otherwise, taking place. Time will tell.
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It seems that when the economy is better and there are more job opportunities in the civilian sector, recruitment for ROTC is always a little tougher. I don't think the Army will have much trouble filling scholarship quotas but recruiting non scholarship cadets could be tougher.
 
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