A few weeks ago, I recieved a letter from the cadre at the University I will be attending on an Army ROTC 4-year scholarship this Fall. In the letter, it said we would be taking the APFT on a certain day in August, and that you must be able to pass each portion with a certain number of reps and time for each. The letter said you must be able to complete 35 push-ups, 42 sit-ups, and the 2-mile in 16:30 or less. I sit here a little baffled with this, because from what I understood you are required to pass the APFT with 60 points in each event or more, equivalent to a 15:54 2-mile or less, 47 push-ups, and 52 sit-ups. Can anybody provide some insight as to why my letter from the University gives those lower (and higher for the 2-mile) numbers?
APFT lower passing scores?
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http://www.apft-standards.com/index.html
I don't know why they would tell you numbers like that-I believe to pass the APFT with 60 points for a 17-22 year old male you need to be able to accomplish in 2 minutes :
42 pushups
53 situps
15:54 run
17-22 year old Female :
19 pushups
53 Situps
18.54 run
Here is a Bruno philosophy- it's not gospel but I guarantee you it's way more common an approach than not. Regardless of what they just sent you- those numbers should be ones that you absolutely expect to blow past on test day. If you are 18 years old, and you are getting an Army Scholarship and a 60 is the best you can do by August- then you would not want me as your CO because I would make it my lifes work to help you find another venue for your lifes work. This is the ARMY and they are paying you a lot of money every month to go to College with the expectation that you will be a leader. If you would be satisfied with, or can't do more than the minimum with several months worth of work then you don't belong in the Army. Soldiers expect their leaders to lead from out front- even in things as mundane as PT. So my advice- just make sure that you go by the published PT standards and blow it away! You should be shooting for the Max in the 22-26 age range - not the min in the 17-21 range.
Hooah
I don't know why they would tell you numbers like that-I believe to pass the APFT with 60 points for a 17-22 year old male you need to be able to accomplish in 2 minutes :
42 pushups
53 situps
15:54 run
17-22 year old Female :
19 pushups
53 Situps
18.54 run
Here is a Bruno philosophy- it's not gospel but I guarantee you it's way more common an approach than not. Regardless of what they just sent you- those numbers should be ones that you absolutely expect to blow past on test day. If you are 18 years old, and you are getting an Army Scholarship and a 60 is the best you can do by August- then you would not want me as your CO because I would make it my lifes work to help you find another venue for your lifes work. This is the ARMY and they are paying you a lot of money every month to go to College with the expectation that you will be a leader. If you would be satisfied with, or can't do more than the minimum with several months worth of work then you don't belong in the Army. Soldiers expect their leaders to lead from out front- even in things as mundane as PT. So my advice- just make sure that you go by the published PT standards and blow it away! You should be shooting for the Max in the 22-26 age range - not the min in the 17-21 range.
Hooah
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Bruno speaks the truth. At the ROTC battallion I am in it is expected that you score at least 80 on each of the three sections of the AFPT. If you score below that in any of the three you are put on remedial PT which means you go to PT all 5 days of the week until you reach that goal. Remember even if you score 80 in each section that is only a total score of 240 which in our ROTC is considered at the low end of the scale. Scoring with the minimum score will get you your scholarship and stipend money but it won't get you much respect. A low PT score will keep you out of some of the things that are available to cadets such as Ranger Challenge, Summer Schools such as Airborne and Air Assualt.
One other thing, remember that Presidential Fitness Test you took for the scholarship, don't rely on that score too much. I saw a lot of guys that came in bragging that they did 70 push ups in one min. When they took the AFPT for real they could barely do 40 in two min. You have to do you push ups and sit ups perfectly per Army regs or they will not count them. One other tip, start running A LOT, get your endurance up. Don't just take your 1 mile time and double it thinking thats what you'll get in the 2 mile.
The MS3's run the PT at our school. Your not allowed to push anyone past your own ability. I have yet to reach my own goal for my PT score, on my last recorded test I got a 330. God help the MS2 and MS1's at next years PT. I hope this gives you a little perspective.
One other thing, remember that Presidential Fitness Test you took for the scholarship, don't rely on that score too much. I saw a lot of guys that came in bragging that they did 70 push ups in one min. When they took the AFPT for real they could barely do 40 in two min. You have to do you push ups and sit ups perfectly per Army regs or they will not count them. One other tip, start running A LOT, get your endurance up. Don't just take your 1 mile time and double it thinking thats what you'll get in the 2 mile.
The MS3's run the PT at our school. Your not allowed to push anyone past your own ability. I have yet to reach my own goal for my PT score, on my last recorded test I got a 330. God help the MS2 and MS1's at next years PT. I hope this gives you a little perspective.
Thank you very much for the replies. No I wasn't planning to just shoot for the bare minimum, as of right now I'm hitting right around 80 points for each and my goal is 100 points in each by the day we take the APFT. I was just curious as to why I recieved a letter from them with such extremely low reps and time. It just seemed extremely odd to me. Thanks.
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OK guys...here's the deal. To validate your scholarship you need to pass the first PT test to entry level standards. Entry level standards are the same scores required to pass basic Training. These scores are 50 points in each event base on your age. You can google apft scores to check the table, but I belive the scores correspond to what was in your letter.
That is the last time 50 points will be enough. To retain your scholarship you will need to score 60 in each event, 42, 53, 15:54. If you do not attain that score by the end of the semester you could loose your scholarship, or at least have it suspended.
the standards Jcleppe talked about (80 points or remedial) are internal standards to his Battalion. It's still 60/60/60 points to retain your scholarship, and become an officer some day. The advice about doing better to be more competative, and thus a better leader is valid also.
Hope that helps explain the confusion.
That is the last time 50 points will be enough. To retain your scholarship you will need to score 60 in each event, 42, 53, 15:54. If you do not attain that score by the end of the semester you could loose your scholarship, or at least have it suspended.
the standards Jcleppe talked about (80 points or remedial) are internal standards to his Battalion. It's still 60/60/60 points to retain your scholarship, and become an officer some day. The advice about doing better to be more competative, and thus a better leader is valid also.
Hope that helps explain the confusion.