Appointee in trouble with the law

I think Navig8r is asking,"How stupid would an appointee/ how bad would a situation have to be for an academy to revoke an appointment?" Speeding ticket? 10 miles over? 40 miles over? Underage drinking on prom night? It would be interesting to hear from a couple of the MALOs on this.

It sounds as if the cadet separated when the record came back to bitehim had not only the original arrest/conviction, but a compounding failure to disclose on application materials that would have gotten him into trouble.
 
My original post was basically wondering exactly what sort of "trouble" gets an appointment yanked.

And since this forum has been an invaluable source of information to me through the entire overnight visit, application, interview process, I wondered if this information might be valuable to other applicants and families. I trust the wonderful gift of experience that the forum members here have been kind enough to share.

Having an appointment is one thing. I don't think any of our kids have actually reported for that "first day" yet. I'm sure there are any number of things that could instantly wipe out the opportunities of a lifetime that have been presented to our children in the form of a service academy appointment.

A lot of things could happen between now and July and it might be wise to be aware of what could derail these potential military careers in the making.
 
Ha! Speeding tickets will generally not get you the boot. Just let people know, especially if it was over certain amount, as it may come up on your security clearance background checks.

Speeding gets expensive....just drive the speed limit.
 
breaking the law is very serious and its not something even the average high school student would do.
:scratch:

On the otherhand, would something like an MIP or a speeding ticket cause an appointment to be revoked? I guess it depends on the case but the police record check said to include minor traffic offenses or something like that.
 

Alright, maybe I was generalizing, but I'm trying to talk from the perspective of the student who comes from average, middle class parents and attends an average, middle class school. The percentage of kids who do things that throw them in juvie or jail is minuscule. I know it varies by school district or city, but Im trying to talk in GENERAL. Most American high school students, I would say, aren't smart enough to be considered adults but aren't dumb enough to do stupid things that might jeopardize their future. So, WP appointees should be held at a higher standard. If the average joe down your block can stay out of trouble, I would be surprised to see a future cadet getting in trouble with the law.
 
I think Navig8r is asking,"How stupid would an appointee/ how bad would a situation have to be for an academy to revoke an appointment?" Speeding ticket? 10 miles over? 40 miles over? Underage drinking on prom night? It would be interesting to hear from a couple of the MALOs on this.
Instead of wondering "how bad an offense do I have to commit to get revoked" how about "Let's not commit crimes!" :thumb:
Idea for USMA candidates, one I am following myself: Stay out of trouble!
Then you don't have to worry about how much trouble you're 'allowed' to get in.
 
A boy in my older daughter's class received an appontment to the Naval Academy. His mom and I were casual friends and she would not allow her son to do ANYTHING once he got that appointment. No prom, no graduation party, nothing. And her rationale to me was that if, God forbid, ANYTHING happened - even if her son was innocent - it would not jeopardize his appointment.

I don't think anyone here is trying to push the line on deliberately causing "allowed" trouble, but, rather, get a realistic assessment of the risk of circumstances: how much bubblewrap do we need? In the example above, was this mother being reasonably prudent, or overcautious in prohibiting the prom? She wasn't even worried about her son causing trouble, just that he would be present if there were an incident. If someone else at the prom had created a problem, what is the likelihood her son would lose his appointment?
 
navig8r -
This is in New Jersey - right?? If so I read about this.

First - before R-Day everyone must complete a background check. If he does not call WP and tell him about his legal issues they will find out. I forget exactly but he was arrested - right?

My understanding is he will not be allowed to take the Oath on R-Day is the legal matter is still outstanding. Unless the charges are dropped or otherwise disposed by then - I don't think he will be allowed to report.
His Army career will depend on the outcome of the case.

I do honestly think this:
she would not allow her son to do ANYTHING once he got that appointment. No prom, no graduation party, nothing.
is seriously over-reacting.
 
JAM - I agree. Although I think we're being a bit cautious with our son now in terms of injury (ie - if it's icy outside, I tell him to go run at the Y instead), I never even thought of things like prom and parties being an issue. I guess you have to trust your kids and their choices in friends and activities. And believe that they're responsible enough to know that it's THEIR lives that they'll screw up if they do something stupid! My son doesn't have a curfew. I don't wait up for him if he's out. If he says the next day "I didn't get home until 2 last night", at most I might suggest he get to bed early that night so he's not cranky all week! Yes, we'll discuss some guidelines before a big event like prom, but I'm sure I'm not telling him anything he doesn't already know!
 
What if you have an open case on a speeding ticket? Wouldn't you need to disclose that in the application as you apply? Even if it may be dropped?
 
I have another question that is sort of related but not the same...what if you are a witness to a crime and may be needed to testify in court at a date that falls after you go to West Point?

Like say you get appointed, then in between the day you received your appointment and R-day you witnessed a crime in which charges were filed and you would be needed to testify in court?
 
I have another question that is sort of related but not the same...what if you are a witness to a crime and may be needed to testify in court at a date that falls after you go to West Point?

Like say you get appointed, then in between the day you received your appointment and R-day you witnessed a crime in which charges were filed and you would be needed to testify in court?

A sudden case of amnesia lol
 
Typically, if you are out of state or out of the country, the prosecutor can take a statement from you and that will suffice. My oldest son was summoned to testify while he was doing an exchange year in Europe. I told the prosecutor I wasn't flying him home for that, but they were welcome to buy him a ticket. The realized they didn't really need him.
 
If you are served a subpoena then you need to take it to your chain of command. If you have good reason to think you may be issued a subpoena after R-Day or are issued one before R-Day then call your Regional Commander in Admissions.
They have all the answers!
 
Police Records Check

Candidates who are offered admission are required to have local law enforcement jurisdictions submit Police Records Checks. This includes records of arrests not resulting in conviction. If the candidate in question has not submitted it, it will be a flag when it is submitted.

However, if it is past that date and the form was submitted, then I would suggest that the cadet should contact the admissions office and advise them of the issue. The USMA Instructions for Candidates Offered Admission indicates that a cadet will receive a secret security clearance while at WP. I presume that arrest records will be discovered when the Army does the records check for that clearance. If the cadet has not been forthcoming about the issue, I would think that he or she will be boarded out.

There are probably two sides to the version of the story that you heard. However the fact that an arrest has been made indicates to me that the applicant is under an obligation to report it to Admissions.
 
IMHO, Even Minor Traffic Offenses Must be reported

The PDF file provided to cadets offered appointments states that the police records check is only intended to cover minor traffic and non traffic violations of the law. If you had more serious charges (such as misdemeanors or felonies) you will need to provide copies of court records..... regardless of plea or verdict...

This requirement makes no reference to a $300 fine limit. The 300 dollar limit is for issuance of security clearances NOT for admission to West Point.
 
West Point Police Record Check 2011

I have been accepted into the Class of 2015 to report to West Point this June. I do have history of a speeding ticket, however. This occurred last May. What does that mean for me? Will I be not allowed to attend just because of a speeding ticket?
PLEASE reply back to me as soon as possible! I don't know what to do!
 
My son got a speeding ticket after receiving his appointment last year, and after his police report was sent to admissions.

He is now a plebe and doing well.

He immediately reported the situation to his MALO and his regional coordinator.

Bottom line, report the situation to your regional admissions coordinator and follow his advice.
 
so if we got some type of ticket under $300 after we filled out the application form, does submitting the police record check count as disclosing that information, or is there some other way to report it?
 
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