Appointment and Presidential

Discussion in 'Air Force Academy - USAFA' started by RckyMtnKP, Oct 31, 2014.

  1. RckyMtnKP

    RckyMtnKP Member

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    If a candidate receives an appointment with a Presidential nomination, and the admission portal reads Appointee, is this a secure position or would a congressional nomination be better to have? Can the Presidential nomination be revoked and be used for another candidate?
     
  2. Juvat

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    It is an appointment. Period. It is as "secure" as it gets so long as there are no academic, social or physical changes to your profile that would impact your admissions status.
     
  3. Christcorp

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    The presidential nomination can NEVER be revoked. That's not possible. But I think I understand your question. "Can the academy take the appointment, which was given slated against a presidential nomination, away from one person and give that appointment based on the presidential to another person?

    The answer is yes, but ONLY if the APPOINTEE, has more than 1 nomination. One of my candidates had this very thing happen. Now.... the good news is: It doesn't matter to the appointee. An appointee is an appointee and they can NOT take that away from you. In one of my candidate's case, he had a presidential nomination..... received an appointment using that nomination in October...... our senator gave him a nomination anyway, even though he already had the appointment..... the academy change his appointment to USE the senator's nomination and gave the appointment based on the presidential to another person of their choice.

    The academy loves this. Appointments using a congressional nomination can only be used to give an appointment to someone in that state/district. With a a presidential, the academy can give the appointment to anyone in the country who has a presidential nomination.

    Since then, our senators/representative have wised up. (As most have). If an individual receives an early appointment, because they had a presidential nomination, then the senator/representative IF SMART.... will NOT GIVE A NOMINATION to that individual. Most are smart enough not to even interview that applicant with an appointment. This way, even though the person with an appointment, using a presidential nomination, is from their state/district, that appointment doesn't count towards their slate of authorized cadets at the academy. The senator/representative still get an appointee.

    This is exactly what happened to my son. In 2007, October, he already had his Presidential nomination and he received an early appointment at the end of October. We waited a couple days until the official package/notification came to him (November 7th), and then he contacted the senators and representative and let them know that he NO LONGER NEEDED a nomination from them. That he already received an appointment. This ensured our state would have another appointment. If my son had gotten a congressional nomination, the academy would no doubt use the congressional nomination spot instead of the presidential, so they could give the appointment from the presidential to someone they wanted to have an appointment who couldn't get one from their congressman/senator.

    So in your case, it doesn't matter either way. You still have the appointment. It doesn't matter to you if they use the presidential or a congressional nomination. You're not going to lose the appointment. But why not let your state have that extra spot instead of the academy? Example: 2 state senators and your representative each have 1 spot open. That's 3 appointments. If you get an appointment with one of those 3, then there's 2 left. But if you get an appointment with the presidential, then the state still has all 3. Both senators and the representative.

    So it's your call. But if you actually have an appointment IN HAND, and it's based on a presidential, then I would let my state have the extra spot instead of the academy. Of course the academy will tell you to STILL APPLY for the congressional nomination. THEY WANT to have the extra slot. If some at the academy had their way, they'd probably prefer that there were NO nominations, and that they, the academy, could control all 1200+ appointments. As it is, they only get direct control over half of the appointments. The other half MUST come from the state's senators/representative's lists.
     
  4. RckyMtnKP

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    Thanks for the quick and detailed responses! :thumb:
     
  5. JMS

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    Congrats on the appointment! I am chiming in because I wanted to highlight the 'qualifier' in Juvat's post... it is important. Thus the references to 'bubble wrap' regards injuries and other wise staying healthy you may have read in other posts. Some of that is not in your control. BUT 'stupid pet tricks' are in your control. Poor grades, under age drinking, DWIs, serious driving offenses, serious school disciplinary matters, arrests, etc will resonate in undesirable ways.
    My advice to my DS was (and is) if he finds himself at a place where illegal stuff/ activity is at hand, then not only 'do not participate,' but also 'remove yourself far from that place quickly.' One does not want to have to explain being involved with that stuff to the academy.
     
  6. Pima

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    +1 JMS

    I can't remember if it was this site or another, but an appointee during graduation week lost their appointment because they were caught for underage drinking. I believe they were not driving, but in the car.

    They received a citation for drinking underage and by regulations they had to report it to the SA.The appointment was revoked.

    There was also a kid during the year known on the east coast as Snowmageddon that decided to hook an inner tube to the back of a pick up truck. Needless to say they incurred broken bones and DoDMERB got involved changing them from Q to DQ. By the time they were out of the cast and through PT they still needed a waiver from DoDMERB and it did not come through by I Day.

    JMPO, but kids will think that their college path is done as soon as they accept the appointment and now can go a little wild and enjoy their senior year. They don't realize that going even a little wild can change their path.

    Let them have fun, but DO have an adult conversation and tell them that until I Day the fat lady has not stopped singing. I also say ADULT because these kids are spectacular and I believe they are mature enough to understand the folks are not being helos, but now saying it from a wisdom point of view.
     

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