Appointments from the National Pool

[Dad]

Can candidates without a MOC nomination, but who didn't make the cut for a Presidential nomination be put on the NWL?

You need a nomination to be appointed. Hopefully you applied for all sources available to you.

 

[Christcorp]

Can candidates without a MOC nomination, but who didn't make the cut for a Presidential nomination be put on the NWL?

There is no such thing as "Making the Cut" for a presidential. If 200 applicants are eligible for a presidential nomination, then all 200 get a presidential nomination. If 500 are eligible, then all 500 receive a presidential nomination. Where the "Cut" comes from is the eligible "SLOTS". Just like a MOC can only have 5 cadets at the academy at any one time, allocated to his/her slots; there are 100 authorized Presidential "Slots" per class. Sort of like a MOC having 10 nominees, but only 1 being authorized for an appointment using that nomination. There can be 500 presidential nominations, but only 100 are authorized an appointment using that nomination.

So the real question is: Do the remaining 400 (Assuming there were 500 presidential nominations given out), who didn't receive one of the 100 appointments from the authorized presidential slots, get to also go into the national pool to be considered for one of the remaining 500+/- appointments? (Assuming they are qualified in all categories). I believe the answer is yes. But this has been an area of debate, with some saying that the only people in the national pool are those with MOC nominations. Again, I believe the answer is yes. Along with other military related nominations such as ROTC/JrROTC. But other than my son and 2 others, I can honestly say that I haven't really dealt with a lot of applicants who had presidential nominations. I'll refer to Steve to validate this.

 

[AFBound12]

For the vast majority of applicants, it's really simple.

1. You receive a nomination from your representative or senator.
2. You are 100% qualified, completed your application, and have been offered an appointment for your Member of Congress' (MOC) 1 guaranteed slot, where you competed for that 1 slot against up to 9 other individuals.

The 1 slot that each MOC gives, is that 1 per service academy or is that just one for all of them?

 

[Strike Eagle]

The 1 slot that each MOC gives, is that 1 per service academy or is that just one for all of them?

Per service academy

 

[Christcorp]

The 1 slot that each MOC gives, is that 1 per service academy or is that just one for all of them?

As eagle said, that is "Per Academy". However, it's a Little deeper than that. it's not actually "1 per academy". It's 5 AT THE ACADEMY AT ONE TIME!!! In theory; a representative might not have ANY at the academy, and s/he can have 5 go all in the same year. They normally won't do this, because then they can't nominate ANY MORE for 4 more years. Sometimes, a rep has more than one slot available. Sometimes they have none available.

 

[RyWalk]

So the real question is: Do the remaining 400 (Assuming there were 500 presidential nominations given out), who didn't receive one of the 100 appointments from the authorized presidential slots, get to also go into the national pool to be considered for one of the remaining 500+/- appointments? (Assuming they are qualified in all categories). I believe the answer is yes. But this has been an area of debate, with some saying that the only people in the national pool are those with MOC nominations. Again, I believe the answer is yes. Along with other military related nominations such as ROTC/JrROTC. But other than my son and 2 others, I can honestly say that I haven't really dealt with a lot of applicants who had presidential nominations. I'll refer to Steve to validate this.

That was the actual question I was getting at, thanks for figuring that one out without clarification. I hope they get NWL just like everyone else, I only have a Presidential, so I'm in an interesting situation. My dad, a previous ALO, tells me that they do, and that people on the NWL can actually be charged to a Congressperson with slots that aren't being filled. "If the Academy wants you bad enough, they can actually find a nomination to fit you with"

 

[Christcorp]

The ones in the pool aren't actually charged to a congressman's slot. Matter of fact, it would be mathematically impossible. I.e. There are 453 representative. (Can't remember what that changed to with the new census and districts). There's also 100 senators. That's 553. Multiply by 5 cadets at the academy at any one time. Equals 2765. That still leaves roughly 1635 cadets at the academy. 100 each year for presidential. That still leaves 1235 remaining cadets. Without going any further, you can see that they couldn't possibly be charged to the MOC.

Basically; in it's most reader's digest form; assuming each MOC had an opening this year; 553 appointments given out against MOCs. (1 for each senator and representative). Another 100 for presidentials. Another 20 I think it is for ROTC/JrROTC, some more for other military oriented nominations such as medal of honor, etc... Up to another 85 for prior enlisted. .,............ When it's all added up, it's usually shy of 800. The academy then fills the rest of the class from the remainder of individuals with nominations; but didn't get one of the GUARANTEED slots allocated to one of the nomination categories. Again; that's the reader's digest version, but close enough for government work.

 

[1993A10]

There are 453 representative. (Can't remember what that changed to with the new census and districts).

The total didn't change; only the number that each state has. For example, Illinois lost one representative and will need to drop down to one fewer districts in 2012. Every state gets at least one, so Wyoming didn't change.