Are Academy grads/cadets/mids privileged for their "free" education?

I don't know if I could disagree with this more. Genetics? Hardly.. Born into difficult life circumstances with poor or absent parenting or mentoring? Now, I'm with you. But genetics? Were not talking Olympic athletes or Nobel Prize Physicists. (Certainly the academies have these but its not the norm)

I would bet you that there are countless grads that were adopted into strong families and strong situations that would never have made it to the academy otherwise. Their genetics did not change when they were adopted.
I'm not saying that where your crib stands when you're born doesn't also play a large role (which, by the way, is something no high school age SA hopeful has any more control over than the genes they were born with).

But how many people who are otherwise perfectly qualified for a service academy (or ROTC scholarship) get a medical DQ for relatively innocent, but out-of-their-control issues, like color blindness or a food allergy? And how many don't even try, because they have worse issues than that, and they *know* they just don't have the kind of body that can take being in the military?

It is simply not true that "if you want it, and you work for it, you can have it." Genetics and environment both have their part to play, and to the extent that both of those make it possible for any given candidate to even *try* for a spot at a service academy, they represent privilege.
 
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many pilots come out of the military with Tinnitus and certain pilots have higher chance of cancers which are credited to being close to radar systems
Pilots are exposed to more radiation where the atmosphere is thin, as well.

Personally, I came out of the military with the ability to fall asleep on concrete. It is my super power. :p
 
I joined the navy and they dressed me like a tree. I feel privileged to have received six knee surgeries.
The point is there are people outside of the military who got six knee surgeries, and much worse, too. And they didn't get the benefit of a service academy education (or GI bill benefits) for it, because they knew at 18 (or even earlier) that they weren't medically qualified.
 
The point is there are people outside of the military who got six knee surgeries, and much worse, too. And they didn't get the benefit of a service academy education (or GI bill benefits) for it, because they knew at 18 (or even earlier) that they weren't medically qualified.
Benefit and privilege have different definitions and apparently privilege has different meanings based on the responses here.

I don't actually feel privileged to have gotten six knee surgeries which are due to service related issues. I have constant pain. Two weren't just meniscus trimming or joint mice cleanup. I have two holes medially on the starboard knee.

It was an honor to serve and I appreciate the money dropped into my bank every month. Thank you goes to the tax payer.

People say, it was an honor and privilege to serve. Was it a privilege to serve or just an honor?
 
My DS chose to apply to SA/ROTC (he now has AFROTC Type 1 HSSP) even though I have education assistance from my employer. My company's benefit will pay X% of tuition and fees (with ceiling of course) to any universities in the world. Told my DS during his sophomore year that he doesn't need to confine himself to US universities and can consider applying to European Unis as well. So yeah, there are kids who have the "privilege" to study anywhere but chose SA/ROTC path as they want to serve. Not every kid is after the "free" education. Studying under SA/ROTC have strings and risks attached and therefore far from being "free".
 
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This is true. I think most people who've served have had some sort of health impact from service. The inconsistent sleep schedules that come from standing watches and deployments certainly causes down stream health issues. You were underway yourself, you know all of the exposure that comes with shipboard life
It can be very difficult to get the VA to accept something as Service Connected unless it was noted on an exit physical or in your military medical record. Many chemical exposures take years to decades to make themselves known as can musculoskeletal damage.
I have personal knowledge of the former issue.
 
many pilots come out of the military with Tinnitus and certain pilots have higher chance of cancers which are credited to being close to radar systems
Both issues that you've surfaced go far beyond pilots. My ship's guns were extremely loud and that was even well inside the ship. Typical shipboard preservation processes use devices known as "Deck Crawlers" and "Needle Guns" to remove paint and they are extremely loud. Steel decks/hulls conduct that sound across wide areas. Radars and radio antennas on the ground and on ships are many times more powerful than most airborne devices.
 
many pilots come out of the military with Tinnitus and certain pilots have higher chance of cancers which are credited to being close to radar systems
... so in addition to the comments above, a neurologist from the VA Martinsburg Medical Center told me that pilots have the highest number of ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease or Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis) cases, a fatal nerve cells break down. Just my own swag analysis, those pleasant and comforting aviation fuel fumes that the pilots and crew inhale are causing the nerve cells break down... however nonchalantly. And I think spec ops have the second highest ALS cases since they are always jumping from aircrafts sucking those comforting-pleasant yet deadly fumes.
 
Just my own swag analysis, those pleasant and comforting aviation fuel fumes that the pilots and crew inhale are causing the nerve cells break down... however nonchalantly. And I think spec ops have the second highest ALS cases since they are always jumping from aircrafts sucking those comforting-pleasant yet deadly fumes.
Fun Fact: Navy ships run on JP-5 which is actually the same thing that Navy Aircraft/Helos run on. The stuff that we put into stuff that flies is a bit more pure and filtered but it is the same stuff and ships can pump their aviation fuel tanks into ship's fuel tanks if needed.
 
Benefit and privilege have different definitions and apparently privilege has different meanings based on the responses here.

I don't actually feel privileged to have gotten six knee surgeries which are due to service related issues.

People say, it was an honor and privilege to serve. Was it a privilege to serve or just an honor?

Insofar as the opportunity to serve in the military was ever something that you wanted (as opposed to something you were forced into for lack of viable alternatives), and at the time of your enlistment or commissioning, you had one or more 'unearned' advantages that made this a possibility for you, then yes. You were privileged.

Before you jump all over me over the use of the word 'unearned', let me explain what I mean by that.

Some people are born with diseases or defects that make military service an a priori impossibility for them. No use even trying. The flip side of that is that some people are born with perfectly 'healthy' bodies, and are able to maintain that health through no particular effort of their own - or at least, less effort than it would take for some. Sure, it takes commitment to pass the PFE. But if you're born with one leg (random example pulled out of my hat to make a point), working hard to pass the PFE will get you no closer to a potential service academy appointment.

The same thing can be said about many other 'unearned' advantages that make it more likely for some people to get a service academy appointment than for others. For instance: receiving a truly excellent high school education, versus an exceptionally crappy one, is not something most teenagers get to choose for themselves. It's just luck of the draw from their perspective, because it is determined not (or only to a very limited extent) by the choices they make, but mostly by where their parents happen to live. Growing up in abject poverty, versus a financially stable or even downright wealthy household: same. I could go on.

Are there people without any particular advantage who beat the odds and make it anyway? Sure (well, except for the guy born with one leg or an epileptic brain or any other medically disqualifying issue, that is). But that's beside the point. The point is that IF you were able to earn a spot at a service academy in the first place, it is likely that you had fewer unprovoked obstacles to overcome than many / most others, from the start. And to the extent that this is true for any particular candidate, it means that candidate is indeed privileged.
 
Insofar as the opportunity to serve in the military was ever something that you wanted (as opposed to something you were forced into for lack of viable alternatives), and at the time of your enlistment or commissioning, you had one or more 'unearned' advantages that made this a possibility for you, then yes. You were privileged.

Before you jump all over me over the use of the word 'unearned', let me explain what I mean by that.

Some people are born with diseases or defects that make military service an a priori impossibility for them. No use even trying. The flip side of that is that some people are born with perfectly 'healthy' bodies, and are able to maintain that health through no particular effort of their own - or at least, less effort than it would take for some. Sure, it takes commitment to pass the PFE. But if you're born with one leg (random example pulled out of my hat to make a point), working hard to pass the PFE will get you no closer to a potential service academy appointment.

The same thing can be said about many other 'unearned' advantages that make it more likely for some people to get a service academy appointment than for others. For instance: receiving a truly excellent high school education, versus an exceptionally crappy one, is not something most teenagers get to choose for themselves. It's just luck of the draw from their perspective, because it is determined not (or only to a very limited extent) by the choices they make, but mostly by where their parents happen to live. Growing up in abject poverty, versus a financially stable or even downright wealthy household: same. I could go on.

Are there people without any particular advantage who beat the odds and make it anyway? Sure (well, except for the guy born with one leg or an epileptic brain or any other medically disqualifying issue, that is). But that's beside the point. The point is that IF you were able to earn a spot at a service academy in the first place, it is likely that you had fewer unprovoked obstacles to overcome than many / most others, from the start. And to the extent that this is true for any particular candidate, it means that candidate is indeed privileged.
maybe its the wrong comparison, but guys who make it into the NBA, NFL and MLB are privileged in that they have the DNA that allows them to play and make tons of money. Obviously, it is more than talent and DNA as there are plenty of guys out there with that type of talent/DNA but don't make it because of obstacles either self-imposed or by what's going on in their life. And even then, you have to put in a lot of time, sweat, effort, and sometimes luck to get there. However, they are privileged to have that type of body just like someone who has a high IQ and possible eidetic or photographic memory. In most of these cases, they were born with this ability and while they have to work to get it to its full potential, someone like me no matter how hard i work at will will never get there. They are privileged but in a good way.
 
Insofar as the opportunity to serve in the military was ever something that you wanted (as opposed to something you were forced into for lack of viable alternatives), and at the time of your enlistment or commissioning, you had one or more 'unearned' advantages that made this a possibility for you, then yes. You were privileged.

Before you jump all over me over the use of the word 'unearned', let me explain what I mean by that.

Some people are born with diseases or defects that make military service an a priori impossibility for them. No use even trying. The flip side of that is that some people are born with perfectly 'healthy' bodies, and are able to maintain that health through no particular effort of their own - or at least, less effort than it would take for some. Sure, it takes commitment to pass the PFE. But if you're born with one leg (random example pulled out of my hat to make a point), working hard to pass the PFE will get you no closer to a potential service academy appointment.

The same thing can be said about many other 'unearned' advantages that make it more likely for some people to get a service academy appointment than for others. For instance: receiving a truly excellent high school education, versus an exceptionally crappy one, is not something most teenagers get to choose for themselves. It's just luck of the draw from their perspective, because it is determined not (or only to a very limited extent) by the choices they make, but mostly by where their parents happen to live. Growing up in abject poverty, versus a financially stable or even downright wealthy household: same. I could go on.

Are there people without any particular advantage who beat the odds and make it anyway? Sure (well, except for the guy born with one leg or an epileptic brain or any other medically disqualifying issue, that is). But that's beside the point. The point is that IF you were able to earn a spot at a service academy in the first place, it is likely that you had fewer unprovoked obstacles to overcome than many / most others, from the start. And to the extent that this is true for any particular candidate, it means that candidate is indeed privileged.
I don't disagree, but the next question is a sort of " so what?" How should we judge/react to those with no abnormal hindrances?
 
well to be called privileged today is an insult. You earned something you didn't deserve or work for
Well, many people do indeed have advantages in life that they didn't 'deserve' or 'work for'. They just happen to have been born in the right place, at the right time, with the right genetic makeup. And yes, then they did what they could / had to, in order to turn those God-given advantages into something tangible, which often did involve hard work. This is true for many, if not most, service academy students.
 
I don't disagree, but the next question is a sort of " so what?" How should we judge/react to those with no abnormal hindrances?
It's not just that they have 'no abnormal hindrances'. They do have things going for them that others - others who, strictly speaking, are also 'functioning normally' - don't have.

Take 'white privilege', for instance. I know that's a term that rubs some people the wrong way, but bear with me. White privilege doesn't mean what some people seem to think it means. It doesn't mean that if you're white, then you are destined for great things, and there can be no 'unearned' disadvantages in your life that make it difficult or impossible for you to shine (logical corrollary: if you're white and you do not attain success in life, you have only yourself to blame - NOT TRUE. Or the reverse: if you're black or brown and you don't shine, it's only due to racism - ALSO NOT TRUE). However, if you're white, then given both history and current realities, you have one fewer 'unearned' obstacle to overcome than someone who is black or brown, but otherwise identical to you. People don't choose the color of their skin, and they can't change it through their actions, but it represents a variable that does affect the opportunities open to them, and (especially) the ease with which they will be able to access and take full advantage of those opportunities.

It's the same with biological sex, intelligence (largely inherited, and the part that is not usually comes from growing up in the 'right' environment and getting the 'right' K-12 education that you didn't choose for yourself), general good health, athleticism, etc. Of those, I would say only athleticim is dependent on personal effort to a large extent. But even so. As I said before, some people are born with (physical) limitations that no amount of effort can sufficiently compensate for to make military service an option. And some are born with disadvantages that CAN be compensated for with effort, but then, it means they had a much bigger hill to climb than some others, in getting to their goal (in this case: a service academy appointement).

Keeping all of that in mind, here's my answer to your question: privilege, to my mind, should not primarily affect how *others* look at those with privilege. It should primarily affect how those with (and without) privilege look at themselves. The privileged should keep in mind that they did *not* attain their position in life through 'personal effort' alone. To varying degrees, they were also (very) lucky. Knowing that, and believing it in their core, is important especially if they're going to be the leaders of people who drew a worse lot in life. Because it means they will be able to better value and appreciate the contributions of those below them on the totem pole, who may not have the rank or the paychek to prove it, but who probably traveled a road at least as challenging, and very probably more so, than the officers who lead them. On the flip side, being aware (and convinced) that many of their leaders had advantages in life that they didn't, will allow those who lacked those advantages to hold their heads high, despite never having been to a service academy, not being an officer, or even: not having served in the military at all, despite perhaps the desire to do so.

In other words: awareness of privilege should lead to humility in the more privileged, and to pride in the less privileged. For some people, given where they started, just staying alive is an accomplishment, and anything more is pure heroism. While for others, anything less than being a leader represents a squandering of the advantages they were born with, through no effort of their own.
 
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