Are the appointed willing to share their stats?

usna1985 said:
Most experienced BGOs have learned the hard way not to make promises or predictions or even give positive vibes. I used to tell super-qualified kids that they likely would have no problems. I soon learned the fallacy of such statements.

BGOs see only very limited information and only on their own candidates. We have NO insight into the world outside the schools we cover. BGOs do not see teacher recs, which carry a lot of weight. They don't see CFA scores. They don't see grades and courses or class rank (unless the candidate provides this info). And our recommendation carries only so much weight.

Not to defend your BGO, but he/she undoubtedly thought your child was the most qualified he/she had seen in years and probably believed that your child had a great shot. I would imagine that he/she is very disappointed in the outcome. Not as disappointed as you and your child, but still disappointed.
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USNA1985.. thank you for your comments. Beleive me I actually felt honored that my son's BGO would say that about him. He gave us nothing but hope for the future and he did say much of what you said about the process. He even said he argued the case with the regional coordinator in my son's behalf...so I know he went beyond what he needed to and even just telling us that helped us. He gave other valuable information on what to do for the future and how my son could possibly acheive his goals. He said, ."I think you should tell him, then pick him up, dust him off, and tell him that the federal government situation and declining spending authority is taking its toll and it is not his fault, just a temporary delay in getting what he wants" I would like to say that I think his guidance, your thoughtful insist (I have seen your comments) and other BGO's thoughout this forum are truely helpful and honorable! I appreciate all of your hard work in behalf of my son, other sons, daugthers and all parents out there reading this forum!!! Mark Mc
 
Whether you are applying to USNA or a competitive university, the three variables that I think can make or break you are - (1) essays, (2) recommendations, and (3) interviews. This might explain why some candidates who have similar test scores, rank, GPA and ECs get in and some don't. As well as why some with lower scores and GPA do get in.
 
SA2017 said:
Is anyone who has been accepted willing to share their stats?

(I understand that this will be proceeded by a lecture about geography/minority/and athletics-please don't)

Still...I would like to see if I am in the ballpark.


Thank you in advance,

SA2017.
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Can anyone answer this for 2017?
 
I understand it really depends alot on the competitiveness of your congressional district and/or state. DS is appointed to USNA class of 2017. He was fortunate enough to receive an LOA. Some of his stats are as follows: ACT Math 35, ACT Eng 35, top 3% class ranking, Varsity Soccer/Cross Country, Eagle Scout, Boys State, 10 AP classes, 8 Honors classes, NASS, not a recruited athlete, National Honor Society, Captain Jr Varsity Soccer, Debate Team/State Champion. In clubs but no offices and no SGA. Above average CFA scores, and good recs. Class of 2016 profile will give you a idea of last years class

Hope this helps and DS is ready to go now :smile:
 
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3.89 unweighted GPA, top 7% of class, AP and honors courses, varsity cross country (team captain, region champ, upperstate champ, all-state, all-south), team captain for rifle team (ranked 13th in nation), Boy Scouts, commanding officer of MCJROTC unit, jv soccer, a lot of other extracurriculars, a lot of community service. I could more in depth if you want.
 
LWS95 said:
3.89 unweighted GPA, top 7% of class, AP and honors courses, varsity cross country (team captain, region champ, upperstate champ, all-state, all-south), team captain for rifle team (ranked 13th in nation), Boy Scouts, commanding officer of MCJROTC unit, jv soccer, a lot of other extracurriculars, a lot of community service. I could more in depth if you want.
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Test scores ?
 
DS has 4.25 weighted, 3.9 unweighted, ACT 36 Eng, 34 Math, top 7% of class, Varsity sports (track, cross country, rugby), President of two clubs, Speech and Debate captain, lots of community service, Congressional Intern, part of a selective academy within the school that focuses on political science and community service, AP/Honors courses, black belt in kempo
 
Member of the c/o 2017 (LOA recipient) and NROTC Scholarship recipient

GPA- 3.92 unweighted, 4.68 weighted
ACT- 28 comp, 33 math, 26 English
class rank-36/526 or so

MCJROTC SgtMaj
Marching Band Officer
2 years varsity lacrosse
Spanish club officer
approx 275 hrs com service
capt MCJROTC orienteering and volleyball team
summer swim team
USAFA SS
MC leadership and character development academy (DO THIS IF YOU WANT TO BE A MARINE)
Cadre as MCJROTC summer camp

a few JROTC awards

AP's- US History (junior), Physics B (Senior), Calc ab/bc (senior)

CFA
1 mi- 6:20
pullups-17
push ups-60
situps-95
those are the important events

i think that those are the main parts of my resume
 
wait4now said:
Whether you are applying to USNA or a competitive university, the three variables that I think can make or break you are - (1) essays, (2) recommendations, and (3) interviews. This might explain why some candidates who have similar test scores, rank, GPA and ECs get in and some don't. As well as why some with lower scores and GPA do get in.
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The unsaid things that can really make or break you are

1. State/district you are from
2. male or female
3. minority
4. recruited vs non recruited athlete

More or less, if the quota for your demographic has been filled you will be passed over for someone who may be less qualified from a underrepresented/less competitive demographic

Any moderator on here will tell you there is no quota but from what I see in the quality of some midshipmen at usna, I conclude the only way they have been admitted it because they filled some underrepresented and thus less competitive demographic
 
mhc123wc said:
The unsaid things that can really make or break you are

1. State/district you are from
2. male or female
3. minority
4. recruited vs non recruited athlete

More or less, if the quota for your demographic has been filled you will be passed over for someone who may be less qualified from a underrepresented/less competitive demographic

Any moderator on here will tell you there is no quota but from what I see in the quality of some midshipmen at usna, I conclude the only way they have been admitted it because they filled some underrepresented and thus less competitive demographic
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So you said that male or female would make or break you... in which direction?
 
mhc123wc said:
The unsaid things that can really make or break you are

1. State/district you are from
2. male or female
3. minority
4. recruited vs non recruited athlete

More or less, if the quota for your demographic has been filled you will be passed over for someone who may be less qualified from a underrepresented/less competitive demographic

Any moderator on here will tell you there is no quota but from what I see in the quality of some midshipmen at usna, I conclude the only way they have been admitted it because they filled some underrepresented and thus less competitive demographic
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In related news, life isn't fair. Get used to it.

Keep in mind as well that people's stats from high school can be inflated because of the quality of their high school. My stats from HS were mediocre compared to many of my classmates...who I ended up outperforming. Valedictorian at Hickville Regional Single Room School House is not the same as valediction from Boston Latin.

Also don't delude yourself that you know everything about someone's application or high school performance based on their quality as mids. You'd be surprised at some of the random stuff people have done that you'd never know about unless you went out of your way to find out.
 
White female, Presidential Nom. VA-04 -- non-recruited athlete

GPA: 4.0 (unweighted, I think), 4.3 (weighted)
all AP or Honors courses
Class Rank: 2
Class Size: 93

TEST SCORES:
SAT Verbal/Critical Reading: 760
SAT Math: 690
SAT Writing: 770
ACT English: 36
ACT Math: 29
ACT Reading: 34
ACT SR: 32
ACT Combined English/Writing: 33
ACT Composite: 33

SPORTS:
Varsity Soccer Captain (4 years)
Varsity Swimmer (2 years)

(Main) NON-ATHLETIC ECAs:
Model UN Club President (4 years)
Journalism Managing Editor (3 years)
Foreign Language Club Vice-President (4 years)
Senior Class Vice President (did SCA in some capacity 2 years)
 
Being male or female has NO bearing on your admissions situation -- admissions have been gender neutral for the past 15 years. Obviously, USNA knows whether you are male or female but it makes no difference in whether you'll be admitted.

Given the number of applications from males and females, if USNA takes the top applicants, they'll get the numbers they expect (20-25% female).

One other thing . . . how "great" you were in h.s. is not necessarily indicative of how well you will do at USNA. Thus, do not assume that those who struggle or are slackers were not h.s. "all-stars." First, stats aren't everything. Second, some people don't live up to their "hype." Third, and most importantly, admissions is not an exact science and sometimes they just "get it wrong" in terms of how strong someone is/will be.
 
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Offered an LOA, have since completed requirements, awaiting my BFE!

GPA
UW: 3.854
W: 4.229
ACT: 34
English: 34
Reading: 34
Math: 34
Science: 35
SAT II
Math 2: 800
Physics: 620 (Currently in AP Physics)

Varsity & Club Soccer
1st Team All-Conference, Captain
Varsity & Club Volleyball
1st & 2nd Team All-Conference, 2nd Team All-State, All-Academic All-State, Captain, 5th Place National Finsiher (Club)

ECAs
Student Advisory Committee
NHS
Outdoor Skills Education Program

Work Experience
Referee Scheduler & Coordinator in the Fall

Community Service
Volunteer Assistant Volleyball Coach for U12 & U14 Teams

Male, Missouri

Intended Major: Aerospace Engineering
Intended Career: Pilot
 
I have been accepted for the class of 2017. You can sit there and analyze stats all day long, and you will psych yourself out. Trust me. My stats vary incredibly from some of my other future classmates who are on the other side of the country. But I will provide a few stats in the hopes they will comfort :)

Did not have LOA, but received appointment Dec 6
Top 7%, 4.2 GPA
Made a B in AP Chem and AP Calc AB (throwing that in to show you don't have to be perfect)
One varsity sport for four years
one club leadership position for multiple years
various community service
2100/1420 SAT
30 Composite ACT
Senator and Congressman Nom
Great relationships with teachers who provided recs, so assuming they are above average

If you would like to know more detail, feel free to shoot me a message.
 
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Higschool GPA: 4.26(weighted)
Rank: 21/171
SAT: Verbal 520, Math 750
Sports: varsity wrestling(captain/MVP) and baseball
Awards: excellence award from the Marine Corps, many different types of awards
Clubs: president of environmental club, created local clean up committee, wrote a guide book, reporter, peerleader, hospital trainer, group leader of engineering club, National Honor Society, Science National Honor Society, Latin National Honor Society.

I go to one of the senior military college now.
Mechanical engineering major
Marine Corps option
GPA first semester:3.88(UW)
PT test: Max everything except basketball throw.
Clubs: many clubs
 
@ wannabe ...

In HS, prior to enrolling @ a senior military college, did you apply to any of the SA's? USNA? Outcome then?:confused:

Great job! Congrats!:thumb:
 
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