Army Cuts 12 Brigades

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  1. scoutpilot

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    3-4 ID was my CTLT brigade...

    Scout you are right some of those brigades are rather storied and decorated but I guess no one is exempt from the budget axe.
     
  3. MemberLG

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    Unit lienages will survive, flags will be cased and sent to somewhere, when there is a need those flags will be uncased again.

    Whatever happened to BCTs going back to three maneuver battalions? If so,

    It used to be 3 brigades to a division with 3 maneuver battalions - 9 Bns totals for a division

    With BCTs, 2 maneuver battalions x 4 BCTs = 8 maneuver battalions in a division

    If go back to 3 BCTs with 3 Battalions per, the number of maneuver battalion will actually increase in a division.
     
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    I think that is the plan.

    http://rt.com/usa/us-army-brigade-inactivation-249/

    I think we will see this play out in ROTC Branching the next few years. Maybe that hard engineering degree is a good thing:

    "Besides an additional battalion, which is usually 600-800 soldiers, BCTs will have more engineers assigned. It is expected that remaining brigades would be somewhere close to 5,000 personnel instead of the today’s 3,500 servicemen and women.'

    Another point in the article.

    "In this way the impact on combat power will be minimized and the savings will be made at the expense of support units outside of BCT and logistics."
     
  5. scoutpilot

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    I can think of a couple ways to save more money, like closing Arny hospitals.
     
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    The Internet is a wonderful thing. I didn't read the whole thing, but the extract sounds pretty good.

    A master of miltiary art and science thesis

    http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA483239amp;Location=U2amp;doc=GetTRDoc.pdf


     
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    Any opinions on how will this affect the need for Officers in the future?
    Curious to know if this will have an impact on the future class sizes at WP and in AD slots for AROTC.
    Less BCTS = less # of Officers needed?

    Being the visual person that I am, this map was interesting: http://www.army.mil/media/301836
     
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    Thanks for the map. That was helpful and also makes me wonder why we just don't shut down Fort Knox? What else is there?
     
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    HRC, Cadet Command, and really excellent training facilities.

    I'm sad to see 2/3ID go. That was a special one.
     
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    yea, shocker to me, i was in that one. i imagine 1-64 will move to another armor BDE and 1-30th will move to an infantry bde. lot of history with both. what about 3-7cav?
     
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    Hard to say. I'm assuming they'll split then among the other two brigades. I believe both are CABs now anyway.

    The Battle Boars are a great unit. If I got frequent flyer miles for the time I spent working for them I'd be going around the world in First Class. They had a really tough battlespace during the surge. Lots of respect for those guys.
     
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    I think it will really reflect the ways things were in the Army in the late 90s. Army is going to open combat opportunities for women. That may slightly affect some branching opportunites for 2015, 2016.

    As is said here many times, control what you can control.
     
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    It will be interesting to see how/if this affects WP admissions.
    Could the Corps size go back to 4000 instead of the current 4400?
    The trickle down effect could mean smaller class size and therefore more competitive admissions in the future.
     
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    I thought we were still over the 4400 mark?
     
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    Admissions will likely get more competitive, but that's not a factor size really. I will say that when I got in 13 years ago, the Corps was at 4000. The admissions process is much more intense now. The SAs, WP especially, have really shown their teeth in the past 10 years for the top-flight institutions they are. In a culture that lives and dies by rankings, coming in at the top of a list or two really changes things.

    Admissions is more competitive now than it used to be at 4000. Will it get tougher? Probably a little. But it can't get much worse.
     
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    If the Army wants to minimum impact. Simply the number of CPTs and above can be managed with making the selection/promotion boards tougher. Simply when BCTs are cut with increasing number of maneuver BNs in existing BCTs we are getting rid of BCTs HQs that are heavy in higher ranking officers.

    Which would be easier way to manage (not saying right or wrong) officer population - commissioning fewer and keeping them or commissioning at steady numbers and starting adjusting at CPTs and higher?
     
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    Marines to cut 8,000

    Marines to cut also

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ant-amos-helmand-afghanistan-odierno/2460619/

    Another scenario that may play out in the future...Economy may start to get stronger again in the next couple of years. If so, a lot of active duty men and women may opt for opportunites in the civilian world. In my town homes for sale are having bidding wars again. Stock Market is up. Hard to believe but its possible we may see good times again.
     

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