Army plans to cut 40,000 troops

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  1. sheriff3

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    AFROTC offered the option to walk away, and then another option to go guard or reserve.
     
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    It's going to be a very stressful wait for cadets that will be finding out their component this September, not to mention those already in Active Duty.
     
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    DS graduated from an MJC. His class graduated 27. He said the MS-IV's this year have 25 and have been told they need to cut 5 out of the program. This years incoming class is starting with 21 I believe so they have already been cutting back to their allotted numbers.

    I firmly believe that the scholarship and active duty numbers given to ROTC cadets will weed out the number of interested applicants thereby reducing the numbers to what is manageable.
     
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    If they do, I'd gladly pay the last year of tuition for my son if he wanted to pull out. I support the actual soldiers 110% and my daughter is an Army nurse but I despise the way politics and political correctness is damaging the readiness of our troops.
     
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    Well not much anyone can do now, except to play the hand dealt.
     
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    I wonder where they are going to take the 1700 civilians from? Will it be they no longer fill the empty jobs or those retiring or is it a true 1700 civilian jobs. If so I wonder how that will impact the units.
     
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    I think you missed an extra Zero. It is 17,000 Civilian jobs. I don't think they can reach that number by not filling empty jobs, I agree that this could be brutal.
     
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    17,000 Civilians, that will make in impact. PX and cafeterias will be gone. Soldiers will get cards and coupons to go to McDonalds for meals. Of course they may have to hitchhike there.
     
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    DS is currently at CIET. He texted last night about the 40K reduction news and said virtually all of the offiers and NCO's he has spoken to will be leaving in 2-3 years. :eek2:
     
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    There was a large Billboard that was put up in Seattle back in the early 70's when Boeing's SST project was cancelled and the company was laying off hoards of employees, with just a single word change that sign seems to fit today.

    "Will the last people leaving the Army please turn out the lights"
     
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    I can't take credit for finding this...

    http://asafm.army.mil/Documents/OfficeDocuments/Budget/budgetmaterials/fy16/milpers//mpa.pdf

    search for "ROTC" "The Army is making a conscious effort to decrease the ROTC Scholarship program and increase the ROTC Non-Scholarship program for Cadets."
     
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    This doesn't surprise me. I would imagine many in the Army are looking to polish up their resume and will start looking toward civilian opportunities given the fact that unemployment is down and the overall economy seems to be getting better. It seems to me that a large number of enlisted and officers will be thinking hard about what to do when their first service obligation nears the end. Do you roll the dice and stay, or look for other opportunities.

    The 40,000 drop will leave us near what we were prior to 9/11 but if the sequestration is allowed to continue and there is another cut of 30,000, people could start leaving like rats from a sinking ship.

    The sad part is that those that have the skills and resumes to land that good job in the civilian market are the same ones the Army would love to keep. With such uncertainty retaining these soldiers will become difficult.
     
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    I read a couple of articles yesterday that say this cut will never come to fruition because the budget caps will be increased.

    It's the DOD's way of crying wolf to get more money. The president's budget for the DOD is actually bigger than the cap, but congress is saying we can't do that because the law says so and the DOD is saying we have to plan the future on not having these funds based upon the current budget caps (which is somewhat true).

    I'm not a fan of the president by any means but seams both sides and the DOD are playing the politcal game on this one.
     
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    The 5.2 Million Dollar decrease in the scholarship budget for this next year will sure make the competition a lot stiffer. The 3 year scholarship awards will remain the bulk, I wouldn't be surprised to see a big shift to waiting to offer 2 year scholarships to those entering the Advanced Course. Expensive schools may find it harder to recruit new cadets and less expensive schools could get more competitive.
     
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    I know all branches would lose some folks but I've always thought these scholarships should *ALL* be (3) year deals. That will separate those who really want to be in the military vs those that are thinking "hey, here's a way I can go to college for free". I realize the military wants their shot at the "best and brightest" but I think we need a lot more of the "tough guys"....both mentally and physically. The folks who did 2 a days in football no matter how hot it was, the water polo players and wrestlers who learn hand to hand combat in a winner take all match. I'm just tired of hearing stories and reading about cadets (or recruits for that matter) complaining about people yelling at them, hurting their feelings, using cuss words or making them work out when it's too hot outside. I can guarantee you our current enemy doesn't care much about the heat factor as they train their elementary aged recruits.
     
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    17000 civilians
     
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    I know I forgot a 0, Jcleppe nailed me on that already.:oops:
     
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    I do think there will be some cut but not as drastic.

    A good example is the reduction of Brigade Combat Teams (BCT). Back in 2013, the Army announced they will lose 12 BCTs. When the Army decided to get rid of some BCTs, they increased the number of manuever battalions in a BCT from 2 to 3. So saying we are going from 45 to 33 BCTs sounds bad, but the number of manuever battalions will actually increase (from 90 to 96).

    As for the reduction in the civilian positions, with combination of not filling vacant positions and early retirement incentives, I don't see the Army needing to actually firing anyone. Of course, the competiton for the Army civilian job will get more fierce.
     

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