Army QB, Trent Steelman, signs with Baltimore Ravens
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Tax payers pay for his entire education, thousands of dollars of top notch training at a federal service academy, and the Army lets him go to the NFL.....
Hundreds of thousands....
But what is he actually doing for the Army? Could other members of his class be in the same billet/position? That's what I don't know. I'm not going to label him a "S-bag" because he may be fillining an admin role, IF others from West Point may fill the same role. But if the guy is given some kind of light duty assignment where he shows up once a week... well, then, it's not so great.
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Army Regulation 350-100
3-4. Obligations for specified graduate programs
Officers, who accept scholarships, grants, or fellowships offered to USMA or ROTC cadets from specified graduate programs (Rhodes, Marshall, Truman, Hertz, East-West, Rotary, Gates, Mitchell, Levy, and Fulbright), will incur an additional ADSO. Such graduate programs are considered to be "partially funded." Time spent attending one of these specified graduate programs will not be credited toward fulfilling an existing USMA or ROTC ADSO.
a. Officers participating in 2-year designated "partially funded" civilian education programs following commissioning will incur an additional 6-year ADSO, to be served concurrently with their initial ADSO. Additionally, officers will agree to serve a utilization tour associated with their education.
I am reading it as total of 8 years total (6 years of time with troops)
First two yeard do not count, but 6 years of ADSO from the scholarship starts after graduation but 5 year ADOS from West Point runs currently.
Dempsey didn't have a Masters degree when he was a platoon leader, so I don't think he can answer the question.
Yes, Rhodes scholars might become future generals as any SA NCAA athletes, but what I am focusing on is the short term/immediate requirement of serving with troops as a second LT. I believe by my classmate who was Rhodes scholar resigned from the Army within a few years of his service obligation being over.
We should be more objective and try to quantify return on money spent on cadets. I think a good metric is total years of service in the Army.
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A lecture from a guy with an MA in Lit? ZzzzzzZZZzzzZZZzzzz
Not sure if I'm fully answering your question, but the assistant coaching slots are only open to athletes and are typically used for guys that got hurt and need more time to recover, need to cut down to meet size standards, etc.
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How is he meeting his obligations to the U.S. Army?
In my opinion, he isn't
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From what I've heard, I, at least initially, agree. But what is his job in the Army while he's with the Ravens? That's what I'm trying to figure out. And is that job open to anyone at West Point or is he "tehcnically" serving the Army by pushing paper in a windowless room 2 hours a day.
While I do not know the answer to your questions, here are the likely determining factors:
1. He cannot be a full-time Active Duty PL and attempt to play in the NFL. The time commitments for both are mutually exclusive.
2. You can't just defer the start of his service obligation like you would for a Rhodes scholar because the length of his NFL career is unknown and the possibility for injury is high.
- At this point, they can either let him go straight to the reserves and have him become a recruiter (similar to David Robinson) and/or assistant coach, or they can make him defer his start in the NFL for 2-5 years and go do at least part of his service commitment. Neither of these options are available to the average 2LT upon graduation
Heck no. If his unit is called, he should deploy. The reserves people sign up, mothers get called at inconvenient life times, they don't have a say on saying no or a convenient position or training time and location.
If he gets injured on the NFL and can't satisfy his commitment then he should pay up at that time. Kids get kicked out of ROTC.
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Heck no. If his unit is called, he should deploy. The reserves people sign up, mothers get called at inconvenient life times, they don't have a say on saying no or a convenient position or training time and location.
If he gets injured on the NFL and can't satisfy his commitment then he should pay up at that time. Kids get kicked out of ROTC.
If he is cut, he goes back to active duty.
IMHO, the "early release" option is just a football recruiting tool used by the D1 academies to further entice 4-star and 5-star athletes, giving them an "out" if their football "career" looks promising enough to play on Sunday.
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Interesting enough, his "couldn't have hoped to join a better organization" was talking about the Baltimore Ravens and not the U.S. Army.
I just thought the comment was "telling."
I just thought the comment was "telling."
Ravens are sold on Army's Steelman
Senior attends mini-camp
By Sal Interdonato
Times Herald-Record
Published: 2:00 AM - 05/04/13
Trent Steelman has qualities that the Super Bowl champion Baltimore Ravens covet.
The Ravens like the way Steelman ran Army's offense. They may like Steelman's intangibles more.
Steelman's heart, his passion for the game.
Maybe that's why the Ravens gave Steelman a second chance.
Steelman, a free-agent signee, didn't report for Baltimore's rookie mini-camp Thursday. Bob Steelman said his son was at an airport Thursday afternoon ready to board for Baltimore when West Point called him back to post because of a misunderstanding in paperwork.
"There was just some confusion," Bob Steelman said.
The Ravens originally told Steelman that they had to fill his spot, his father said.
"That's the way the NFL is," Bob Steelman said. "Then they called him back and said, 'Trent, we love you if you can get down here by 7 a.m. You have to have a physical.' He made it."
Steelman left West Point around midnight as Thursday night turned into Friday morning, Bob Steelman said, and drove four hours to Baltimore. A few hours later, Steelman passed his physical and was fitted for a uniform and pads.
Steelman was unavailable for comment Friday.
"He's just totally exhausted," Bob Steelman said. "Maybe he will get a good night's sleep tonight and get something in the tank and he'll be fine."
Steelman wore a purple No. 7 and played slot receiver Friday. Quarterback Caleb Hanie wears No. 8, Steelman's number at West Point. Baltimore may also give him a look at safety.
"We are really excited about giving Trent an opportunity to make the Ravens," said Joe Hortiz, the team's director of college scouting. "He was a top competitor and playmaker while playing quarterback in Army's offense who displayed his ability to make the transition to wide receiver to our scouts while down at the East-West Shrine game. On top of his ability, I know we are getting a person with high character, integrity and leadership which has repeatedly shown itself to us throughout the process scouting and talking to him."
Baltimore's mini-camp runs through the weekend and free agents are generally notified whether they are going to be invited to training camp. Dave Lee, Steelman's agent, has said the Ravens intend "to bring him to training camp and compete."
If Steelman is invited, he can use leave time to attend the camp once he graduates West Point later this month. Steelman is required to serve two years of military duty before he asks for his release from the Army to pursue the NFL full-time.
"Trent is a gamer," Bob Steelman said. "He knows what he owes the Army and West Point. He knows he's beholden to those guys big-time."
Senior attends mini-camp
By Sal Interdonato
Times Herald-Record
Published: 2:00 AM - 05/04/13
Trent Steelman has qualities that the Super Bowl champion Baltimore Ravens covet.
The Ravens like the way Steelman ran Army's offense. They may like Steelman's intangibles more.
Steelman's heart, his passion for the game.
Maybe that's why the Ravens gave Steelman a second chance.
Steelman, a free-agent signee, didn't report for Baltimore's rookie mini-camp Thursday. Bob Steelman said his son was at an airport Thursday afternoon ready to board for Baltimore when West Point called him back to post because of a misunderstanding in paperwork.
"There was just some confusion," Bob Steelman said.
The Ravens originally told Steelman that they had to fill his spot, his father said.
"That's the way the NFL is," Bob Steelman said. "Then they called him back and said, 'Trent, we love you if you can get down here by 7 a.m. You have to have a physical.' He made it."
Steelman left West Point around midnight as Thursday night turned into Friday morning, Bob Steelman said, and drove four hours to Baltimore. A few hours later, Steelman passed his physical and was fitted for a uniform and pads.
Steelman was unavailable for comment Friday.
"He's just totally exhausted," Bob Steelman said. "Maybe he will get a good night's sleep tonight and get something in the tank and he'll be fine."
Steelman wore a purple No. 7 and played slot receiver Friday. Quarterback Caleb Hanie wears No. 8, Steelman's number at West Point. Baltimore may also give him a look at safety.
"We are really excited about giving Trent an opportunity to make the Ravens," said Joe Hortiz, the team's director of college scouting. "He was a top competitor and playmaker while playing quarterback in Army's offense who displayed his ability to make the transition to wide receiver to our scouts while down at the East-West Shrine game. On top of his ability, I know we are getting a person with high character, integrity and leadership which has repeatedly shown itself to us throughout the process scouting and talking to him."
Baltimore's mini-camp runs through the weekend and free agents are generally notified whether they are going to be invited to training camp. Dave Lee, Steelman's agent, has said the Ravens intend "to bring him to training camp and compete."
If Steelman is invited, he can use leave time to attend the camp once he graduates West Point later this month. Steelman is required to serve two years of military duty before he asks for his release from the Army to pursue the NFL full-time.
"Trent is a gamer," Bob Steelman said. "He knows what he owes the Army and West Point. He knows he's beholden to those guys big-time."
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I'd like to meet Bob Steelman, so I could tell him to go perform an anatomically impossible act. He sure got his comment right, though. His kid is a gamer...he gamed the system, used it for all it's worth, and then took the best out he could.
Bob, if your kid actually believed he was "beholden to these guys big time" he'd be in the front of the line to don an ISAF patch and do something for his country. LITS is spot-on. All this kid sees is dollar signs and a way out of his obligation. But I guess that's fair, for all the clutch Army-Navy victories he brought us. Oh, wait...
Trent Steelman is a sterling example of a system that has lost its way, headed by a crook of a Supe. You parents should be outraged. Your kids can't toss a football well, so they're expected to shut up and go face the fire in Afghanistan. Your kids are expendable in the name of duty. They can't run as fast as Trent Steelman, so they can risk their legs to an IED. Who cares? They don't have magic NFL legs. They've just got regular kid-who-took-an-oath legs.
If they're really lucky and work extra hard, maybe they'll get a chance to sit down to AFN and see their classmate play on Sunday.
Just got off the phone with DS. Told him about this great new MOS: Army Representative. If he gets it, then he can work from there.
looks like Steelman pere is getting on the gravy train faster than Earl Woods.
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The 2012 Army-Navy game loss was a hard one to take obviously. After the game at a tailgate I overheard one cadet say to another "Well, about the only good thing we can say about today is Trent wasn't the one who finally gets credit for breaking the streak (10 yr losing streak)". It sounds like the Ravens seem to respect him a heck of a lot more than his fellow cadets do.