Army ROTC - when does the board meet?

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  1. jkrasinski

    jkrasinski Member

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    When is the second board review? When would you expect to hear if you made the second board? Third? Thanks!

    BTW - SAT scores of 1080; GPA 3.8; physical fitness test near perfect; Officer interview recommended scholarship.......where do I fare?
     
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    F 12/8
    G 1/12/2010
    H 1/26
    I 2/9
    J 3/2
    K 3/16
    L 4/6

    I heard somewhere that they were reviewing the OMLs this week so maybe this week or next.
     
  3. jkrasinski

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    OML?

    Sorry - not familiar with that acronym.
     
  4. crs_mom

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    Someone posted these dates in another thread.. I was told the same dates by the Major at the school that is my son's #1 choice. See below :

    scdad, are those Army board dates? Beacuse the info Son received from the ROO at his #1 school was as follows...

    Nov 23 - Deadline for Documents
    Nov 30 - 2nd High School Selection Board

    Dec 28 - Deadline for Documents
    Jan 4 - 3rd High School Selection Board

    Feb 22 - Deadline for Documents
    Mar 1 - High School Selection Board

    Mar 28 - Deadline for Documents
    Apr 4 - 5th High School Selection Board
     
  5. goaliedad

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    Here is my understanding of the process.

    About every month, the board convenes to score all new applications completed since the last board and re-score any applications with updated information (like improved SAT/ACT test scores being reported). Units are contacted to see if they will accept a candidate, if they haven't done so already. This takes most of a week.

    These new or updated scores are then merged with the remaining (from previous boards) scores on a new Order of Merit List (OML).

    They then start at the top of the OML and start filling out offers based upon how many scholarships are left in a unit or campus and whether a unit/campus has accepted the candidate. They have a stopping point - not sure where, but I imagine that because they are handing out multiple scholarships offers, they know that the majority of the offers can't be accepted (you can only accept 1), so I would think they would stop handing them out when too many schools on a candidate's list are filled by others in the same board (each school being limited in how many they can have out there).

    I know it sounds confusing. Let me simplify. Let's say you have 100 candidates for 10 schools, each with 10 slots, just enough for everyone. Let's say the board's goal is to give everyone at least 3 schools to choose from.

    Further, lets say 50% of the people have school 1 in their top 7 and 40% of the people have school 2, 30%, have school 3 and 20% have school 4 and the rest have about 15%.

    You can see that the they probably won't get below #20 before the first school is filled (1/2 of 20 is 10) with these applicants getting all 5 of their top 5 choices. Then the #2 school is filled after about 25 applicants get processed. School #3 is filled after about 34 applicants are processed. School #4 is filled after 50 of the applicants are processed. Clearly, at this point there are 4 schools closed, so there will be some applicants who can't get into more than 3 schools at this point.

    However, if you wait the month for those top 50 applicants to take 50 slots from the 200-250 offered, you will find that there are another 150-200 slots available for the next board to re-assign in that selection.

    It is very complicated and I guess they don't know how many scholarships they will award until they work their way down the list to the point where applicants aren't getting enough schools to choose from.

    As to your chances, nobody here is qualified to speculate. We also don't know your EC/Sports (which have a significant impact), nor do we know which schools are on your list (or other people's list for that matter). And that has a major impact on when or whether you will get an offer.

    Let's say you picked 7 very popular schools where you are a reach as an admit. Several PMS's will probably turn down your application if they have better qualified candidates who are more likely to be admitted.

    However, if you picked 7 schools where you are likely to be admitted that aren't overly popular with other applicants, you are much more likely to get an offer.

    All of this being said, from what others have posted about past years, you are likely to get an offer somewhere eventually. However, this year there are stories of reduction in scholarships (they overenrolled last year) out ther as well as an increased interest in the scholarships as people's 529 accounts have evaporated lately.

    I'm sorry if I cannot be more reassuring, but if you are going to survive in the military, you'd better get used to dealing with a certain degree of uncertainty and having flexible plans.

    You do sound like you have good credentials and you should be proud of yourself no matter what the outcome of the scholarship application.
     
  6. CadetMom777

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    OML stands for "Order of Merit List". Every scholarship applicant is given a score based on grades, test scores, interview results, etc. and those are put in order from highest to lowest and scholarships are awarded from the top score down to the completion of allotted scholarships for that board.
     
  7. jkrasinski

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    EC/Sports

    To goaliedad -

    Thank you for your informative reply.

    Sports - football (JV); hockey (JV and V); Lacrosse (JV and V)

    President of Spanish club (2 years)
    Sgt of Arms - History Club

    Boys State delegate (NY)
    Jr Explorer - Volunteer Fireman

    This is a shortened list of activities and sports.

    Looking for reassurance that I am a viable candidate for AROTC - realize that it cannotbe given.

    Thank you!
     
  8. goaliedad

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    As long as your school list matches your academic record (Harvard doesn't look to be in your future :wink: ), you should be very competitive. Very similiar to goaliegirl overall.
     
  9. educateme

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    I have the feeling that no matter which way I look at it, your SAT score is going to limit your options: both in terms of getting 4 year scholarship and gaining admission into the kind of school you want to attend. (sorry, this is not what you wanted to hear).

    When I talked to the PMSs, they kept flashing numbers like SAT CR+M as a starting point (meaning, min to be in consideration). It could be because these battalions were drawing students from sought after schools with competitive admission scenes.

    I read somewhere that some battalions publish/share the average SAT numbers of their 4 year scholarship cadets. Some numbers I recall were all at big state Universities, and no where the number dipped below 1100.

    I suggest you call PMSs at schools you listed on the application and ask what their average scholarship cadet's SAT looks like and whether your current score will be an impediment.

    Meanwhile, you can still take another SAT in Jan or even later and upgrade your application. The fact that they have board meetings on a regular basis and they let you update your application gives you an ample room to upgrade your qualifications.

    In my mind, SAT score is the EASIEST thing to fix and used so extensively by schools and ROTC cadet command, it's a shame not to give one's best shot. Spend a couple of intense months to prepare and upgrade your qualification: it may still make a difference in later selection boards. If finances allow it, get a tutor, take a course, whatever. It's well worth the investment given how much you can get out of it.

    I know you are looking for assurance, and I am not saying "don't worry, be happy". But, if I were asking for advice, I would rather hear honest assessment and advice on what I can do to improve my odds rather than just assurance.
     
  10. aglages

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    ^^^^^
    I agree with educateme. Call the PMS's at the colleges that you listed on the application and ask what their average scholarship cadet's SAT looks like and whether your current score will be an impediment. And retake the the SAT to attempt a higher number. It will not hurt to retake the test, and may help. If finances are an issue, check your school or public library for SAT prep books and practice.....practice.....practice. Focus primarily on the Math and Critical Reading (vocabulary) portions. Those are the two most critical components of the score for ROTC.

    If it helps any, I think your ECs will help to offset your low SAT number. How MUCH they will help with the increase in ROTC applications is questionable.

    Good Luck!
     
  11. singaporemom

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    Take the ACT..sometimes kids do better on one or the other. The next test is this weekend. Registration is closed but you might still be able to test.

    Link: http://www.actstudent.org/

    I would recommend seeing if you can get in. ACT has a different strategy than SAT. Ask the kids in your school, but I believe you do NOT answer a question if you don't know the answer, as opposed to SAT where should guess at answers you don't know. GOOD LUCK!!
     
  12. Just_A_Mom

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    The OP didn't say which schools he was applying to. Not everyone desires a top tier college. There are hundreds of colleges that would accept him. If he picks the *right* school then his SAT's are good enough. The minimum to be qualified is a 980 (cr + M). It is possible to take them again.
    Assuming he gains admission or already has gained admission to the college of his choice the rest of his resume actually looks really good.
    He is a *viable* candidate. IMHO
     
  13. aglages

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    I think the SAT / ACT standards for receiving a ROTC scholarship THIS year may be higher than some of the colleges that may accept you. Even if a collage will admit you with an 980 SAT (M/CR), I'm not too sure that you will be competitive with the supposed limited number of scholarships for a greater number of applicants.
     
  14. Just_A_Mom

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    Actually the minimum is 920. This is the Army requirement not the school's requirement.
    I know lots of kids with a 1080 SAT who got into some decent colleges.

    From the Army ROTC website:
     
  15. educateme

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    I perfectly understand that even with low SAT, there may be a place where the candidate can get a 4 year scholarship. My input was this: you can still impact the end results, so why not give it your best shot so that you can have MORE and WIDER variety of choices. You seem to be in good shape otherwise, if this is one thing that is pulling you down, it would be a DARN shame not to do everything you can do so that you can have more options.

    By the way, note that if the PMS wants you, they can work with the admission officers of a college on your behalf. If you improve your SAT scores, even if that's way past the college admission deadline, your better scores will give the PMS an ammunition to better fight on your behalf with.

    BE ALL THAT YOU CAN BE - Isn't it their motto? So why not start applying it to yourself right away?

    By the way, based on what I learned, the ROTC scholarship scoring system is rather rigid. As in, every dimension has a set max point. So, even if you are the best athlete, there is only that many points you can get (once you reach the max point based on their criterion, they don't give you more points because you were that much more amazing than others who also got max points based on their formula), and then they move on to the next category. So, there is only that much your other qualifications such as sports and EC can compensate for your scores, etc. Hence, you are better off with 1200, 3.5 GPA (another number I frequently hear as a potential GPA max point condition), and good ECs and sports - good enough to get the max point - than 1000 SAT, 4.0 GPA and GREAT sports.

    Here, I may be really wrong: this has not been validated by multiple PMSs and other sources, but only a couple of passing comments from couple of PMSs.
     
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    This is the Army's minimum requirement for qualification. An important distinction.

    I have "heard' of colleges that don't require you to report you SATs at all. My point is that regardless of what SAT scores a particular college may require for admittance, the Army may require higher scores for a scholarship....particularly THIS year when supposedly there are fewer scholarships and more applicants.
     
  17. educateme

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    there is always a difference between they they require for "submitting" applications and what they require for "granting" whatever prize it is you are seeking (admission to college or getting scholarship), etc. When there is competition, there is a huge gap between these two: some of us are suspecting that this year, unfortunately, this may come to be case.

    Again, I wish all the best to the candidate. Actually, I am trying to be helpful here.
     
  18. Just_A_Mom

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    Of course, you are trying to be helpful here. Taking the SAT's again is not a bad idea. Send in the scores and the record will be updated.

    The OP asked if he was a viable candidate. He is. He appears to be fully qualified. But, translating that to a scholarsip will depend on which schools he is applying. If he applies to a school like The Citadel where he is squarely in the mid-50% range for his SAT's then I think he has a great shot. He has great grades, athletics and leadership to round out his application.

    Do you know this for sure? While the Army put a hold on further scholarship for THIS year, I have not heard that there are fewer scholarships available for next year.
    What happened this year is the yield was high preventing them from offering scholarships to "walk-ins" as they had in the recent past. I am not sure that is translating into fewer scholarship offers for this years applicants, especially since the demand for junior officers continues to be high.
     
  19. educateme

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    actually, what we are hearing is that this reduction in scholarship is about the class of 2014. If anything, I did not hear reduction of scholarship for the class of 2013: several PMSs told me that they had a record year for the class of 2013 (4 year national scholarships). They specifically mentioned "budget reduction" for the reason for the scholarship reduction for the class of 2014.

    My son will be competing for the class of 2015 slots. I will very carefully monitor what happens for the class of 2014 since he will be applying next June and we will need to strategize very carefully in terms of the school choice etc depending on the outcome of this year's cycle.
     
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    My son attends the largest of the Senior Military Colleges as a freshman 4 year scholarship cadet. At his university, the class of 2012 had over 100 scholarship cadets, his class of 2013 has 70, and the class of 2014 is expected to be less than that. His understanding is that the current administration cut the budget for scholarships last Spring and that is resulting in fewer scholarships now.
     

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