AROTC Branching Time

goaliedad said:
The ADSO for grad school makes a lot of sense for the cadet who is looking for a leg up in the OML for O4 and the full 20. With little control over deployments, it is often difficult to get a masters completed on the side, especially if one develops a spouse and children along the way. The 2 years that can be dedicated to getting the degree completed allows the young cadet to focus on other things in his/her life career beforehand.

As to the continuation of the student loan ADSO option, the young Lt doesn't make much money to make much headway against any student loans taken to get his/her commission. To have that much debt wiped out for an extra 3 years, they have a great incentive to stay through their O3 promotion where withouth that debt, they rapidly growing pay is generally enough incentive to keep them in. Without that debt erased, the temptation to grab a higher paying private sector job afte the minimum AD requirement to pay back that debt so they can buy a house, etc. becomes a much stronger pull.

Now with the current outlook for private employment being weak, I could imagine the Army cutting back on that incentive as I am guessing that their retention rates are rising with the limited job prospects outside of the military.
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During the ADSO counseling my son asked about the GRADSO for the graduate degree. The time owed back to the Army is a 3 to 1 ratio, 3 years for each year of Grad school, add 6 years to 2 years of Grad School and you are adding 8 years to your already 4 year requirement. He was first under the impression that it was only a 2 year ADSO for Grad School but was mistaken, he's not so sure about that option now since he was told it would be added to the extra time required for Aviation Flight Training should he be able to go as far with flying as he hopes.
 
Jcleppe said:
During the ADSO counseling my son asked about the GRADSO for the graduate degree. The time owed back to the Army is a 3 to 1 ratio, 3 years for each year of Grad school, add 6 years to 2 years of Grad School and you are adding 8 years to your already 4 year requirement. He was first under the impression that it was only a 2 year ADSO for Grad School but was mistaken, he's not so sure about that option now since he was told it would be added to the extra time required for Aviation Flight Training should he be able to go as far with flying as he hopes.
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I can appreciate the extra long requirement for those wishing to attend flight school and it may not be for everyone.

Without any extra ADSO, IIRC you serve your 4 required followed by 3 of the ADSO, followed by 2 years of grad school, concluding with the final 3 of the ADSO. That put you at the 12 year point in your career - about the place where the O4 boards are held.
 
goaliedad said:
I can appreciate the extra long requirement for those wishing to attend flight school and it may not be for everyone.

Without any extra ADSO, IIRC you serve your 4 required followed by 3 of the ADSO, followed by 2 years of grad school, concluding with the final 3 of the ADSO. That put you at the 12 year point in your career - about the place where the O4 boards are held.
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You can also do all 6 years of the ADSO and then go to Grad School if you wish, if I remember there is a limit past that time to when you can start school. It's the 12 years that give some cadets pause, but hey, if you that far 8 more is not that long. Unless of course they change the whole retirement process, then it's a whole new ballgame.
 
Jcleppe said:
You can also do all 6 years of the ADSO and then go to Grad School if you wish, if I remember there is a limit past that time to when you can start school. It's the 12 years that give some cadets pause, but hey, if you that far 8 more is not that long. Unless of course they change the whole retirement process, then it's a whole new ballgame.
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I hear you about the changing of the retirement process. If they do that, they are going to need lots more incentives to keep people around longer since the 20 years will be meaningless.
 
DS has had counseling session with PMS....mind changed.... MI, Signal, Combat.... in that order. Hoping to take advantage of his 3 foreign languages.

Funny, how I thought he would choose MI from day one....no one ever listens to Mom! Now, we wait.
 
Singapore,

I am with you, our DD swore up and down a light post that she wanted to major in sociology, and I looked at her as if she had 2 heads on her shoulders because it came out of left field. A yr later and she is now majoring in what I thought she always wanted to go into since she was young.

As far as retirement goes, the way they have done it in the past when they changed it, they change it for an incoming yr group, so whatever you entered with will be the plan you exit with. For ROTC cadets the issue will be their DOR. SA grads get the DOR of their commission date, but ROTC get the DOR of the avg from when they commission and when they report.

I.E. Bullet commissioned May, but did not go AD until Mar. His DOR was Oct 1, which placed him in the next yrs fiscal group. Your longetivity pay is based on your commission date, your promotion date is based on your DOR...and if you go to a school where you get specialty pay, that will be another date.
 
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