AROTC Scholarship Application Credentials - Odds?

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  1. capchessguy

    capchessguy Member

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    I have just about completed my Army ROTC scholarship application, and am simply curious as to my odds. I know I don't gain a lot from asking, as what is past is past...but I'd like to know:

    -SAT: 1300 (M/CR)
    -GPA: 3.79
    -15 College Hours (Arabic, College Algebra, Pre-Calculus, Physics)
    Honors Courses: Ancient History and Literature, Medieval English and Spanish History and Literature, Advanced American Government and Economics

    -Taekwondo Red Deputy Belt (one down from Black), 10th, 11th, 12th grade
    -Assistant Tournament Director, Floresville Chess Club, 10th grade
    -Civil Air Patrol, Cadet Major (includes Mitchell and Earhart), Cadet Commander of local squadron, staffed 5 Wing encampments, wrote and executed a state-wide leadership school for NCO's twice, attended Cadet Officer School.

    Community Service:
    -Wilson Country Republican Headquarters Volunteer (35 Hours)
    -Member of Archconfraternity of St. Stephen (150 hours)

    Work Experience
    -25hrs/wk at local Dairy Queen - since May 2012.

    PT Scores:
    35 Push Ups, 65 Sit ups, 6:45 Mile

    Thanks,
    Jack
     
  2. dunninla

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    Odds depend on the cost to the Army of the schools on your list of seven.

    For High Cost Private schools, I'd guess 50/50, depending on variables you can't list here like the content of your Essay -- things like why you want to serve as an officer in the Army, etc. and the impression you give the PMS in your interview.

    For Medium Cost Schools, (Public where you pay Out of State Tuition, or Privates where full tuition is about $10,000 less than the most expensive Privates), a little higher.

    For Low Cost schools (in-State our Out of State that offer In-State tuition), I'd say your odds are much higher.

    The final variable is that possibly, not sure yet, the Army might be shifting slightly in favor of Academic Discipline Mix 4 (ADM4 = Engineering) or ADM3 (Science, Math) vs. ADM 2 (Finance, other quantitative Social Science) and ADM 1 (Arts and Humanitites).
     
  3. capchessguy

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    My top school is A&M (public). I've already qualified for automatic admission with them, all I'd need is the money from the Army.

    The interview went extremely well. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but the interviewer (not from a school I'm applying to) said that if I was applying for his school that he would want me in his program. I'm homeschooled so he said he would do everything he could to help the Army understand that I've accomplished things despite this.
     
  4. dunninla

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    then pretty good odds! :thumb:
     
  5. capchessguy

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    clarksonarmy Recruiting Operations Officer at Clarkson Army

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    Better hit the gym...pushups could be better.
     
  7. jlar316

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    Definitely hit the gym

    Your sit ups are are good enough to pass but the pushups won't do. Start going to the gym. Whether you want to work just solely on your push ups or workout everything else while your at it is your choice but you need to start now. Go onto google and type in "how to increase my number of push ups." The cadre at my school put a heavy emphasis on PT and I'm sure other ROTC programs do as well. The rest of your stats look great. GL :thumb:
     
  8. armydaughter

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    :eek: When will this be final? It's harder than the one for NROTC which my son didn't pursue because of his non-technical major.

    (sorry to go off topic)
     
  9. kinnem

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    NROTC Marine Option doesn't care what your major is although there are far fewer scholarships available and they damned well care about physical fitness. There are two NROTC MO boards. I think one is in November and the second is in April but I'm not absolutely certain about the dates. In any case it's not too late to apply.
     
  10. armydaughter

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    :confused: I thought dunninla was saying that the differential scholarship offerings were going to go into effect for Army ROTC. I already know there's a tier structure for NROTC. That's what I meant to ask - when is the five tier structure going to apply to Army ROTC?
     
  11. kinnem

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    I don't think anyone here really knows the answer to that but I'm sure if someone does they will pipe up. I just wanted to point out that if major was an issue for you then you might want to consider the Marines as opposed to Army or along with Army. They're the same but different... ie Marines sometimes have their boots on the ground as opposed to aboard ship.
     
  12. armydaughter

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    Hmmm. Most of the marines I know have seen it as a unique calling. My DS has never shown any interest or calling toward the Marines but I will mention it to him. Thanks.
     
  13. capchessguy

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    Yeah my push ups are normally in the 55-60 range, but adding the time constraint and the emphasis on form (arms directly under shoulders) makes a big difference. Endurance isn't a problem, I'm just not good with speed.
     
  14. Pima

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    Than you need to work on the speed aspect because it will be part of your PT in ROTC.
     
  15. Jcleppe

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    There has been nothing official abount implementing a Tier System in the AROTC Scholarship. Currently they are giving an extra .5 to 1 point towards the cadets OMS score for certain Engineering majors. There has been no official word that they are favoring some majors over others when it comes to awarding scholarships. It is good to remember that once you start AROTC with a scholarship it can be difficult to change your major from say a ADM4 to a ADM1, this would need approval from cadet command, changing the other way around is not as difficult.

    Considering the Army spent over a year testing a new APFT and then decided to just stick with the original, I wouldn't be too concerned that they will be making any quick changes that would include a Tier System. Heck, they're probably still unpacking boxes at Ft. Knox.
     
  16. Jcleppe

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    If you have the chance to visit an AROTC battalion ask if you can take an APFT while there. Have one of the NCO's grade you and advise you on the proper technique. Don't make the PU's harder then they need to be, find out from those who do the testing the best form for the maximum results.

    If you happen to look at some of the APFT pictures from LDAC last summer you will see a wide variety of hand positions. find out exactly what is allowed.
     
  17. Packer

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    Last year my sons scholarship offer was specifically for mechanical engineering. I recall that he could have changed it to a different type of enginnering but could not have changed it to a non-engineering major. This makes me believe that major is starting to be factored into scholarship considerations but I have not seen anything official.
     
  18. Jcleppe

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    Your probably correct.

    When my older son applied for the scholarship he listed Civil Engineering. When he received his scholarship it specifically listed CE as his major. Granted this was back in the fall of 2007 but they never told him at his interview that choosing an engineering major would increase his chances. We did notice a brocure in the office that was geared toward ROTC Scholarships for Engineering majors but nobody there had much information about it. At that time they just said the major did not matter in getting selected.

    As it turned out my son switched his major at the end of his freshman year to History so he could prep for the LSAT's for future Law School. I know...quite a switch, back in 2008 switching majors was not as difficult as today.

    If the Army is looking harder at engineering I wish they would just make it official so applicants had all the information. The official word my younger son heard when he applied in the fall of 2010 was that the majors still did not matter. If the Army remains reluctant to commit officially to a Tier System it could be possible, though not probable, they could have a year with very few applicants choosing an engineering major.

    I guess for now it remains a mystery, and I still think a dart board is involved somewhere in the selection process.
     
  19. Aglahad

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    I don't see the army going to a tier system for a while, if anything they will just keep offering incentives in the OML department or for branches like Engineers Signal.

    Because of the lack of a tier system you see a very small amount of STEM majors within AROTC. In my batt of of around 100 we have maybe 7-10 science majors. I don't include the freshman pre-med Biology majors because most will drop that by the end of the year.

    I mean why major in chemical or nuclear engineering if your goal is infantry? You are just going to a take a OML hit in the long run.

    As far as I know switching majors isn't a real problem unless you are nursing or you won't graduate on time. Maybe I am wrong but I haven't seen any memos from CC yet.
     
  20. Goarmymom

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    My DS' scholarship also said that it was for his major - psychology. But before he was awarded the scholarship, he had changed it to International Relations. He emailed the ROO and he made the change right away and it was no problem. Obviously it wasn't for engineering, but at least it was no problem changing majors when it didn't involve engineering.
     

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