Aviation Slots

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  1. ahuntedyeti

    ahuntedyeti Member

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    Between Army and Navy, which branch offers more pilot slots? I know the army doesn't have any fixed wing aircraft so but does their chopper fleet outnumber the Navy's entire aircraft fleet?
     
  2. dunninla

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    NROTC appointed 29% (273/928) of its commissionees in 2011 to the Navy Pilot community.
    NROTC appointed another 12% to the Naval Flight Officer community (108/928).
    AROTC branched 7% (152/2718) of its commissionees in 2011 to Aviation.

    Looks like %wise, it is 4x more likely to get Pilot in NROTC vs. AROTC. And 6x more likely to get pilot -or- flight officer in NROTC than in AROTC.
     
  3. kinnem

    kinnem Moderator

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    Looks like Navy wins even if you just look at absolute numbers. Where do you come up with all the statistics that you post?!?!? :confused: I'm assuming your hacking DoD systems! :biggrin:
     
  4. ahuntedyeti

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    Just what I was looking for thanks!
     
  5. clarksonarmy

    clarksonarmy Recruiting Operations Officer at Clarkson Army

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    So you are trying to tell me that your stats show that 50% of NROTC cadets got pilot slots??? How about defining what the Navy Pilot Community is and what the Naval Flight Officer Community is. I'm guessing all the people in that community aren't steering the plane. I could be wrong though.

    I think I'm OK with 7% of commissionees going to fly helicopters in the Army, but your Navy numbers seem high.
     
  6. dunninla

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    ^ well, 41% actually, between Pilot and NFO. They both ride in planes, but NFO doesn't ride in a 1 seater (Goose, not Mav), and doesn't drive the plane... but operates a lot of other computer systems related to situational awareness and weapons.

    The 41% is accurate. The % that is appointed Pilot out of USNA is 30%, and appointed NFO is 10%, totalling 40%.

    I have found it interesting that Annapolis and NROTC appoint almost the exact same % into each community... there is no advantage to being at USNA vs. NROTC, as opposed to West Point and AROTC, where getting Infantry or Aviation out of USMA is a much higher % (approximately double) than out of AROTC. On the flip side, getting Military Intelligence or Med Svcs. out of USMA is much harder than getting MI of MS out of AROTC, %wise.
     
  7. Pima

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    clarkson, for our DS's AFROTC commissioning class, 50% got UPT or UNT. I would think those numbers might be right for Navy, because it would be about 40%.

    The only thing that needs to be really looked at is statistically how many got those slots that asked for them.

    The amount offered doesn't mean anything if 100% ask for the slot in the Navy, but only 25% ask for them in the Army. In that case the Army is better.
     
  8. terp1984

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    From my analysis, if you are top 40% on the OML, good ASTB scores(7,8,9) and good recs you have a very good chance of being selected for Navy pilot. DS will be selecting for this next year so I have tried to keep up on the stats.
     
  9. Packer

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    I don't know about NROTC but out of USNA I think 90%+ of the qualified mids that want aviation get aviation.
     
  10. kinnem

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    Another thing to consider. I expect dunninla's numbers are for Navy Option only. I have no idea what the Marine Option numbers would be. Of course I could be wrong and that's the whole NROTC population. Not sure if there is any real relevance, just something to keep in mind.
     
  11. Jcleppe

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    It might seem odd that the Navy has nearly 1000 less aircraft then the Army but branch such a higher percentage of officers to the Aviation field. The reason for this is that the Army has the WOFT Program which the other services do not. The bulk of Army Aviators are part of this program, this would be the reason there is such a smaller number of Commissioned Army Officer that branch Aviation.

    One thing to consider for those looking to be a Naval Aviator is that the only path that guarantees a Pilot slot is the Marine Corps PLC.

    Army cadets that are going to the National Guard can also secure an Aviation Branch slot prior to Branching.
     
  12. wk05

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    How do they secure slots in aviation before branching, SMP?
     
  13. -Bull-

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    Through the Guard. They can do it with other branches too. You determine you're commissioning Guard, so you start looking around for open Guard 2LT slots in the state you're interested in and find one. You can know by the end of LDAC exactly what unit you'll be in. A couple people I know left LDAC with BOLC dates and their unit already set for them.
     

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