Bad scoop - Accepted Norwich, but Quota full

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  1. BobMcMahon

    BobMcMahon Member

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    My son was accepted to Norwich last November. We asked our Marine OSO that since he was accepted to his primary school, does he really have to apply to the other four(4). He said no, scholarships default to first choice.

    Norwich told us last week that their NROTC Marine quota is filled and they cannot take him with a scholarship. Scrambling now.

    Results are gonna be mailed from 3/1 board. Head-count is in to the USMC 1st District in NJ....9 scholarships awarded out of 20 candidates.

    What to do?
     
  2. FR4Y

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    I can't say this will work everytime but I would recommend calling/emailing NROTC admission in Pensacola. If you push enough/ask around/talk to the right people/demonstrate your desire to do NROTC they might bend the rules. I was in a similar situation earlier this year and they let me did this for me. Mind you I will be a sophomore when I join the program, so your mileage may vary but it's always worth asking. Sometimes people will be willing to help you.
     
  3. BobMcMahon

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    Bad Scoop - Thank you...

    Follow-up...

    If my son get's a scholarship, will they look to put him someplace where he may not have applied? Do they actually look to get the scholarship matched to a school with an opening?

    This whole quota thing I find upsetting. I spoke with Pensecola earlier today and they said that these scholarships are awarded first come first serve. Ok fine, but what if your five schools are filled? She wouldn't answer the question! If the NROTC awards East-Coast USMC 274 slots, how can all the schools be filled with quotas, when the regular board hasn't released numbers yet?

    Thanks,
    Bob
     
  4. Mrod21

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    Does that mean they gave out 9 scholarships in Jersey because I'm from Jersey and im still waiting to hear about the results of the Feb. 26th board for Marine Option Scholarships.

    Have they already announced the scholarship recipients??:confused:
     
  5. BobMcMahon

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    Bad Scoop and 1st USMC NROTC

    No...Board wrapped up on 1 March. Captain Gately, over at Earle Weapons Station, told me that they have a head-count but cannot release names. The HQ out in Garden City Long Island will do that via mail.

    I did the math on this when I found the frost-call for FY2010 on what the USMC scholarship awards will be. Nationally USMC received 560 awards. The Eastern Region (ERR) districts received slightly less awards, 274 vs. 286 for the West. That means that of the 3 ERR's, each one needs to produce 91.33 scholarship recipients. Our 1st district covers 8 NE areas, so the NJ office had a total of 11 awards (91/8) to assign. I think 2 were awarded from the first board in December; the balance is therefore 9 and wraps in with what Captain Price told the group at there PFT in November - "half of you should get the scholarship..." There were about 24 kids there.

    We should know in the next few days.....
     
  6. Kernal D

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    From Norwich University

    Mr. McMahon...

    I read you comment and sent an email out to the NAV/MAC ROTC Commander at Norwich...below is his reply:

    "Both I and CDR Hagenlocher have had exchanges with Mr. McMahon recently about this. If the OSO told him scholarships default to the first choice, then the OSO was mistaken because Colin should have applied to other schools. Colin is not on our list, and it appears as if we have reached our quota with 22 Navy and Marine option freshmen for Fall 2010. We will not have 30 as we did this past fall. We explained to Mr. McMahon that we have pretty good success with Marine sideload scholarships, but if Colin comes to Norwich and goes that route he will probably not get one until his Sophomore year and he would have to pay tuition for his Freshman year. This assumes, of course, Colin’s academic and physical performance at Norwich meet the standard."

    Unfortunately, this is not as uncommon as we would like...Norwich, like many of the Senior Military Colleges have to turn away dozens of young men and women who would have liked to bring their scholarship to our institutions.

    On the other hand...we also have quite a few who do as the Commander suggested and come to Norwich in hopes of earning a "side-load" scholarship. It is a tough decision...but it can be done.

    I am sorry you got the wrong information from the OSO. Recommend you stay in contact with Colin's admission counselor in case somebody drops and a slot opens up.

    Best regards...
     
  7. Mrod21

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    BobMcMahon im guessing you were there with me when we took that pft back in November since you quoted Captain Price ha nice to know someone who was there is on this website aswell.:thumb:

    And Kernal D if I dont get the scholarship I actually plan on doing exactly what you said which is going to Norwich and trying to earn a 3 year Marine Option scholarship since I've already been accepted to Norwich.
     
  8. BobMcMahon

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    Mrod21 Where are you from? High School?

    My son was the tall blond kid (Colin) who ran the 3 miles in 17:10. I was the father sitting next to Capt. Price when he spoke.

    I replied to LTC. Davison via email and cc:'d Colonel Delatte and Cmdr. Hagenlocher at Norwich. Colin rec'd a good financial aid package and is sure to attend. It's really been the only school he has had any interest in besides the USNA.

    Good luck. Drop me an email at rlmcmahon225@comcast.net.

    Good Luck,
    Bob McMahon
     
  9. Mrod21

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    I think I remember you and your son. Im Mike the kid who was second on the pull up bar and did 18. It sounds like your son and I are kind of alike since were both interested in Marine Option and Norwich haha.

    Good Luck!
     
  10. suzyqnj2002

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    Kernal D,

    I'm curious to know if my son is earmarked for one of the Norwich slots. He was accepted in November and recieved both the merit and engineering scholarship. We're still waiting to hear if he has recieved the NROTC. I'm I understanding correctly from your discusseion with Bob McMahon that the slots are full so even if he gets a scholarship he can't go there?
     
  11. CL1VE

    CL1VE 4/C MIDN

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    So it is for sure that Norwich is full for Marine Option NROTC? If so I'm really disappointed because I just found out I received a scholarship from the March board and Norwich was my top choice.
     
  12. suzyqnj2002

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    We may be in the same boat. Not sure if my son got the scholarship yet but his choices were Citadel, Norwich, VTech, Penn State and ODU. Not sure if Citadel and ODU are full but the others said they are and they have many on wait list.
     
  13. BobMcMahon

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    Marine NROTC notifications per phone call

    Just received notification that my son did not get a Marine Options NROTC scholarship. That said, Norwich is providing us an excellent financial aid package of Merit, Achievement, Academic Scholarships and work-study to make this very doable for our son. Nevertheless, he will pursue a sideload Marine NROTC scholarship for his sophomore year onward.

    Based upon some you having quota filled issues, here's what the HQ Navy Office in Penesecola wrote me yesterday:

    "LT Erin Connor is our placement officer. If your son is selected for a scholarship and all of his top 5 schools are quota filled, then she will work one-on-one with him to be placed at a university he wants to attend.

    For a list of schools that are not quota filled, please send a request by email to LT Connor at pnsc_nrotc.placement@navy.mil.

    Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance."

    Take care and have a great day,

    LT Mike Brawner
    NROTC Candidate Guidance Officer
    Naval Service Training Command

    Address:
    250 Dallas St, Ste A
    NSTC - OD2
    Pensacola, FL 32508-5268

    1-800-NAV-ROTC ext. 27272

    COM: 850-452-7272
    DSN: 922-7272
    FAX: 850-452-2486
    WEB: www.nrotc.navy.mil

    According to what Kernal D (liaison for Norwich) posted here previously, the NROTC unit already has their quota of 22 FY Fall 2010 scholarships filled. I would double check that with NROTC HQ however. The CO at another major east coast university told me that his quota was filled as well, but just found out he has 5 more Marine Options available from HQ - so things do change. Likewise, there could be a "wait-list".

    Good luck to all of you!

    Semper Fi,
    Bob McMahon
     
  14. CL1VE

    CL1VE 4/C MIDN

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    My top 5 were Penn State, Norwich, The Citadel, VMI, and Kansas. Anyone know which aren't full?
    Edit: Will the board try to give you a school which doesn't have it's quota filled?
    Sorry I just found out I got it and I'm nervous about them all being filled.
     
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  15. cjs

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    Why don't you get in touch with the schools. That may be your best bet.
     
  16. BobMcMahon

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    Yes...The Naval Services Training Command will work with you

    CL1VE - Call the HQ in Pensecola at:

    COM: 850-452-7272
    DSN: 922-7272
    FAX: 850-452-2486
    WEB: www.nrotc.navy.mil

    And ask for Lt. Erin Connor, USN. She can help you.

    Best,
    Bob McMahon
     
  17. CL1VE

    CL1VE 4/C MIDN

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    Thank you all. Just found out it was to Penn State today
     
  18. suzyqnj2002

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    Congrats!!
    Still waiting with bated breath...
     
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    How were you notified...

    Hi Clive,
    Again...congratulations. How were you notified? By mail or did you check the website?
     
  20. BobMcMahon

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    Hi Suzy - Our son Colin received a telephone call from the NJ recruiting HQ (Earle Naval Weapons Station) with the result - he didn't get it. But, Norwich has provided him with a great scholarship package on their own and that's where he's headed in August! He'll try for a "side-load" next year.

    I also posted seperately a list I received this AM from Pensecola regarding schools that still have Marine Option availability.

    Good luck to everyone here!

    Bob McMahon
     

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