Basic Training and Beat Sessions

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  1. Iron Eagle

    Iron Eagle Member

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    So when you're doing push ups and flutter kicks, how does it work? Does the cadre say drop and do 20/50/100 and then do flutter kicks for five minutes, or do they tell you to do them until told otherwise? Or does it depend on what mood they're in?
     
  2. Packerfan735

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    you go until they say recover... they're supposed to do them with you though so you can only go as far as they can...
     
  3. shiner

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    From a strategy standpoint, it is not in their best interest to tell you how many you are going to do. Telling you that you were going to do 20 would give you hope! You would have a mental expectation of when the fun would end, and that is not in the cadre's best interest. They want you to think the fun will never end. The nice thing is that they do them with you*.

    It is mixed though. In BCT, we knew that we were headed for CS25. So, we would usually have to do 25 4-count push ups (50 total) before leaving the terrazo and entering the stair well to the dorm. The amount of time you have to get from place to place will dictate this behavior to your cadre. If you are running late, you will forego the fun and get to your appointment.

    On a somewhat related note - understand that you will most likely pay for the errors of your classmates. A favorite approach of some is to correct the behavior of a cadet by paying attention to their roommate. Scenario: Your roommate failed to learn a staff list or a quote. In theory, the two of you should have worked together to learn it. So, while your roommate is standing in the hall learning his staff list (list of names of cadet staff members), you are doing push ups with your cadre member(s). The idea is that corrective action for your roommates behavior comes from either the roommate feeling bad that you had to have fun with cadre while he learned his list or quote, or it will come in the form of the physical beat down that you will likely inflict behind closed doors.

    *Note: One cadre member will do it with you, but probably not the same one - they rotate out because the can!
     
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  4. PDub

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    A training session is usually begins when an cadre/upperclassman yells the name of the exercise (pushups, for instance), then he/she will yell "down", then the basics/fourth-class cadets will do the rep and yell in response "one sir/ma'am", and the process and the count continues.
     
  5. Iron Eagle

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    Thanks for the info. Good to know that a cadre does have to "suffer" with us. :)
     
  6. Caveman

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    Like you I am a little excited for BCT, but I personal am going to enjoy the ride through basic. I am simply going to enjoy the process and learn. Relax, and take everything in stride; before we know it, we will be wearing the blue beret and beating the basics.:cool:

    That is the way I will approach it,

    Caveman
     
  7. buffalo

    buffalo USAFA 2013

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    It's much easier to be the cadre choosing the workout than on the receiving end of the training session.
     
  8. Christcorp

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    ummmm, OK. "Excited". That's good. "The Ride". Umm, more like getting pushed out of an airplane. "Enjoy the process". You might want to know what the process is before you say you'll enjoy it. "Relax and take everything in stride". Not even going to happen. The rest, I'm not going to touch.

    I came into the military in 1978. And one the biggest songs at the time was written by Dennis DeYoung and Styx called "The Grand Illusion". The words are exactly how basic training felt like to me. Definitely well worth it, but not the reality I thought it would be. I associate a lot with music. Best of luck. Mike...


    Welcome to the grand illusion
    Come on in and see what's happenin'
    Pay the price get your tickets for the show

    The stage is set, the band starts playin'
    Suddenly your heart is pounding
    You're wishing secretly you were a star

    But don't be fooled by the radio
    The TV or the magazine
    They'll show you photographs
    Of how your life should be
    But they're just someone else's fantasies

    So if you think your life is complete confusion
    'Cause you never win the game
    Just remember that it's a grand illusion
    And deep inside we're all the same
    We're all the same

    So if you think your life is complete confusion
    'Cause your neighbor's got it made
    Just remember that it's a grand illusion
    Deep inside we're all the same

    America spells competition
    Join us in our blind ambition
    Get yourself a brand new motor car

    But someday soon we'll start to ponder
    What on earth is this spell we're under
    We made the grade and still we wonder
    Who the hell we are
     
  9. PDub

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    haha so true. No one can ever be prepared for basic. No matter what happens the basics will always suck at everything the basics do.
     
  10. raimius

    raimius USAFA Alumnus

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    Basics check their common sense at the bus...just a fact of life. :shake:
     
  11. CadCandMateus

    CadCandMateus Recent Grad

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    basically how it is here at lackland as well as far as common sense goes.
     
  12. xTxMANx

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    I was wondering how the knowledge "training" worked. Like, say your roommate is not keeping up with standards, do you get hassled, even if you show that you have tried to help him/her? This also go along with things like having a clean room. I was just wondering because I would hate to see someone be drug down by a cadet basic who doesnt want to be there (maybe forced by parents or something).
    Do any of you cadets know ways that worked for you to unite your room to do exceptionally well?
     
  13. ZoomingFalcon

    ZoomingFalcon Cadet

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    As I've been told by many cadets, everyone fails the first inspection.

    Almost everyone fails the second.

    You may pass the third if you're amazing and are lucky enough to catch the cadre on a good day.

    My point: don't worry about the first couple inspections. Everyone is supposed to fail them. The best advice I've received: go to bed early. Don't stay up all night cleaning.
     
  14. PDub

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    Knowledge is not an issue during basic - as long as you give some effort you'll be fine, and the knowledge test at the end of basic is very easy. Try hard, give it your best shot and there'll be nothing to worry about in terms of knowledge. However, if you do slack off you and your classmates will get a lot of sh*t for it, no doubt about it. Sucessful basics = happy cadre = smoother basic. However, knowledge during the academic year is much harder and it'll have a direct correlation to your MPA, rack-n-stack, and thus your class ranking as well as how difficult you should expect Recognition will be...but that's if you live through basic:biggrin:
     

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