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Discussion in 'ROTC' started by L00King4adVICE, Jun 17, 2011.

  1. L00King4adVICE

    L00King4adVICE New Member

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    Okay it's a long story so please just stick with me.

    I joined the Air Force back in Mar 2008. In Nov 2008 just two months after getting to my first duty station I got an underage DUI off base. I got an LOR and went to ADAPT. Went on a trip out for 6 months to the sandbox. The day after getting home I was found having some beers in the dorms. Another LOR and more ADAPT. Lastly, one NYE I was found again drinking. So as a result of all that and it being my third strike I was given an administrive discharge, General under honorable conditions. RE Code 2B. I was in for a total time of 23 months.

    I've been out for 16 months now. Took a few classes last semester but plan on attending full time in the fall at a community college. I was thinking if I'm going to finish school would Army ROTC even be a possibility for me? And if so, would it even work coming as a transfer student? I have a lot of school left before tranfering could be a possible so if more time is needed that isn't an issue. Is there things I should be doing to help my chances? I'm not looking to have anybody pay my way for school so the scholarships are not that high of importance to me. I just want back in any way I can get there.

    I realize this is all a long shot but I feel it never hurts to check everything out. Thank you for taking the time.
     
  2. gojack

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  3. Pima

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    My only thought is regarding security clearances. Everyone knows you will need as an officer a security clearance, depending on your career field the level will be an issue.

    Just went through the TS clearance for our DS, he is AFROTC and it was 50 pages, plus, he had to submit references for every place we lived in since he was 13, military child=10.

    I was interviewed by a "special agent" and one of the questions was any issues with the law?

    I am not saying you won't get a clearance, just saying I would investigate how being drummed out of the AF as an enlisted member might impact your clearance as an officer in the Army. No security clearance = not worth commissioning. Reason why is you are not promotable...eventually you will need a TS.

    You were young, and foolish. I get that, most people do get it. What most people will have an issue with is you didn't follow the cliche:

    Spit on me once, Shame on you!
    Spit on me twice, Shame on me!

    In 3 yrs you were caught 3 times breaking command regs. IMPO this is an uphill battle. Hard for a ROTC commander to accept that an AD member couldn't follow the regs set forth for enlisted members. Remember the majority, probably 75% are under 21. They would kick them out as college students for the same offense. Officers are leaders, expected to live at a higher standard.

    Now that I rained on your parade, let's give sunshine. You can be a great leader and illustrate that through your life experience you have learned. You need to show growth, and qualm the fears of the CC.

    Take lemons and make lemonade. You can do it, but you need to prepared to fight.
     
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  4. gojack

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    You would need a waiver, which may not be granted, DUI's are tough to get around.
    Talk to a AROTC Recruiting Officer

    General (Under Honorable Conditions). If a member's service has been honest and faithful, it is appropriate to characterize that service under honorable conditions. Characterization of service as General (under honorable conditions) is warranted when significant negative aspects of the member's conduct or performance of duty outweigh positive aspects of the member's military conduct or performance of duty outweigh positive aspects of the record. A General (under honorable conditions) characterization of discharge may jeopardize a member's ability to benefit from the Montgomery G.I. Bill if they, in fact, had contributed. Moreover, the member will not normally be allowed to reenlist or enter a different military service.
    http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/l/aadischarge1.htm

    Enlisting National Guard probably best route, then attempting SMP. (still unlikely)
     
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  5. Jcleppe

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    Unfortunately nobody here will be able to give you a definitive answer to this question, we can only give you advice from past experience.

    My guess is that it will be unlikely that you would be able to contract as a AROTC Cadet. A senior cadet at my son's school was 6 months from commissioning when he received a DUI, he was over 21. He was dropped from the program and not allowed to commission.

    There have been others that have tried to join ROTC with just one Drinking Violation and have been turned down. The Army is meeting it's recruitment goals without much effort these days, they have stopped giving waivers for things that they would allow 3 years ago.

    The only one that will be able to tell you for sure is the ROO or PMS at the college you are attending or planning to attend. Just be honest and lay all your cards on the table, they should be able to tell you if your a Go or No Go in a short time frame.

    It never hurts to try, just be prepared to jump through a lot of hoops.

    Good Luck
     

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