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Discussion in 'ROTC' started by Hydro, May 17, 2011.

  1. Hydro

    Hydro New Member

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    So I'm joining the ROTC for probably an engineering degree. Besides CAP and high grades, what can I do to give myself a better chance of becoming a pilot?
     
  2. gojack

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    AF, Army, Navy?
     
  3. Pima

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    Airframe. fixed or rotor?
     
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    Fast or Slow?
    Shinny or Dull?

    Sorry, couldn't resist adding to the questions.
     
  5. Hydro

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    Oh yeah forgot this is a forum for all parts of military. I'm wanting to join Airforce ROTC to become a fixed wing pilot.
     
  6. parkerafrotc2

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    HELI

    what about if you're in AFROTC and you want to be a heli pilot?
     
  7. ima-gina-tion

    ima-gina-tion USAFA 2015

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    high PT score, do a good job at Field Training, and always have a good attitude. :thumb:
     
  8. BillSL

    BillSL USMA Class of 2016

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    What kind of fixed wing?


    I have nothing to add here because I don't know... But I'll just leave this question here for the tradition, no?
     
  9. Marist College ROTC

    Marist College ROTC Member

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    Don't forget that there is a specific physical exam that you will need to take if you are interested in becoming an Aviation Officer.
     
  10. Pima

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    For AF fliers all you need re:additional medical exam above the DodMERB will be eyesight qualified. Pilot vision requirements are not the same as CSO. For some the reason they go CSO is because of vision issues.

    First and foremost, you need to get SFT. Without it you will not become a POC, thus no commissioning and def. no airframe.

    Now what to do better your chances.

    OML

    OML consists of many things;

    1. GPA
    ~~~ Engineering always helps, but it is known to hurt too. If you can't pull the grades, it won't happen....see going to SFT.

    DS is a non-tech major and has a UPT slot for 2012. It is harder, but if you have high stats, it is doable.

    Some cadets opt for engineering because their long term goal is NASA. To get there you must go to TPS. TPS has a requirement that you have a tech degree.

    2. SFT
    ~~~racking (DG, top 10, 25, 30, 50%) you get points for that

    3. PFT
    ~~~ 96 is about as low as you want to go to feel comfortable, and even that is shaky if your AFOQT and TBAS are low

    4. AFOQT
    ~~~ I believe now the test is given as a 200 or 300. This is the AF's version of the SAT/ACT

    5. TBAS***
    ~~~ Test only given to cadets that are going for rated

    6. Recs
    ~~~ Command will have a voice, and to get a strong rec it will come back to 4 things:
    * A. GPA
    * B. SFT
    * C. PFT
    * D. Positions in the det

    *** This is the only time CAP may play into the equation, because you get bonus points for flight hours. Keep the flight log because you must produce it at the time of the test.

    Nobody cares when you enter AFROTC if you were in CAP. It is a non-player re:success in the det. Just like JROTC. DS did not do JROTC, nor CAP nor was he a tech major, but he got a UPT; he did have a PPL. It all was about the OML.

    Finally, I say this often. It is great to have the long term goal, but nobody here is psychic. Nobody here or even in the AF can tell you where their manpower issues will be in 4-5 yrs from now. I am sure back in 2006 when they entered, nobody thought the AF would go through a RIF or VSP, but here we are now. You need to have the goal, but most importantly the back up plan.

    We say that about the SA's and Scholarships. The same is true for career fields.

    Parker,

    There are helo's in the AF, but let's remember they are a very small amount, Army, Navy and CG are the branches that really have the inventory. You will need to follow the same path because it will be about getting a rated slot, from there it will divert into fields.

    Best of luck. One last question are you scholarship? The reason I ask is you need to realize that scholarship recipients need to maintain a certain gpa for the scholarship, and many times that gpa is actually higher than the merit scholarships at the school. Thus, they traditionally pull higher gpas. If that is the case use the AFROTC scholarship as the bar you set. Push past it and you will be fine.

    SFT cadets usually have a gpa of 3.0 - 3.2+. Tech usually has lower than non-tech. This is due to the fact that most tech majors carry a high credit course load, thus, boards get that when they score them. A 3.2 with 15 credits for non-tech is not going to get it compared to the cadet with 21 credits for tech and a 3.0. Just like scholarships, rigor of the curriculum does matter.

    Also, look at the university and how they compare to the national level. For example VT has forever had a higher % of cadets going UPT than the national level. This past yr they had 100% of cadets requesting UPT receive UPT. ERAU has been known also as the powerhouse because behind the AFA they have the most UPT slots awarded to their cadets, HOWEVER, due to the size of the cadre being so large they will never be 100%.

    If you are an incoming C100(2016 class), talk to the 400's (2012). They are supposedly the last class that will receive their AFSC as a C300, from now on it will be 400. Ask them about that det.

    It really does vary det to det. The 1st question should be SFT and how to get a slot. This yr there were dets that had 30% awarded and dets that had 69% awarded, while the avg was @50%. You need to clear that hurdle 1st.

    The best thing you can do right now as an incoming cadet is to workout physically. Work out in the heat, in the rain, and when it is O dark thirty and you want to pull the sheets over your cranium, pull yourself out of the bed. The 1st impression the cadre will have regarding you will be PT. If they have to get behind you and scream your last name for the run because you fall out will not be the way you want them to learn your name. They will notice the top and the bottom for PT very quickly.


    Aim High!
     
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  11. parkerafrotc2

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    Thank you,
    That is extremely helpful information and yes i am class of 2015, type 2 scholarship recipient!!! so that will as you said help set the bar!
     

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