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CC, again you bring amazing clarity to things.
Thanks again for the insight that has been impossible to find anywhere else.
Thanks again for the insight that has been impossible to find anywhere else.
Better no news than bad news?
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I have some insight here. At summer seminar we were told that a school with X% matriculation rate gets a minor boost in GPA when USAFA refigure's the GPA to their standards. I do not remember the % exactly but I think 98% is high enough. I do not know how much this boost changes your candidate score but we were told it does exist. Hopefully that helps
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OUCH!!! Headache!!!
LOL!!!!
too many questions. Here, PM's, emails, etc... That's cool. I'm going to be brief. "Hopefully".
1. GoBlue. The answer is: "It depends". 1st: a SLOT has to come from that MOC's Slate. In other words, a MOC's SLOT can't be given to someone NOT on their slate. But, if an individual on the slate, given the appointment, TURNS IT DOWN; it is possible for the academy to NOT FILL that slot; THIS YEAR. Depending on WHEN the individual turns it down, the academy may decide that this MOC already has 3-4 at the academy, and being the individual they DID APPOINT, turned it down; they may leave the slot vacant this year, and the MOC will have 2 available next year. Mind you, this is an EXAMPLE!!! The academy may decide, they WILL fill the slot. in which case, then YES, they MUST GO BACK TO THE SLATE. Depending if it's a principal only; ranked; or competitive, they will pick the NEXT appointee. But again; they CAN decide if the appointee turns it down, to give the MOC 2 next year. But let's say the MOC already has 2 vacancies, it's unlikely the academy wants them to have 3 next year. They'll fill that slot. Each case is unique.
2. John. In the simple answer: "YES". The MORE individuals that go to college from your high school, the HIGHER points you get from your school PROFILE. The MORE individuals go to private/elite/etc... type colleges vs state university, the more points again you get. Obviously, there's a balance. I.e. One high school has 100% college bound alumni, but 80% go to state universities and 20% go to private/elite/competitive schools. Vs One high school where only 50% are college bound, but 80% go to private/elite/competitive schools and 20% go to state universities. Also; WHAT IS THE STATE UNIVERSITY??? University of Texas, Austin is a lot different than the University of Wyoming. What about University of California Los Angeles. (UCLA) compared to a PRIVATE College that isn't the most elite?
As you can see, things can get very complicated. But these are definitely important and good questions. It's helps people realize why it takes so long to give out appointments.
And yes, I will say it now, BUT I WON'T ELABORATE ON IT beyond this single post; there IS DIVERSITY FACTORS INVOLVED TOO!!! I don't mean JUST race, sex, color, etc... The fact that 50% of the class comes from MOC slates is diversity. 535 MOCs can have 5 cadets EACH at the academy. Because ALL states and districts are comprised of tax payers, each has an equal percentage of cadets. That's half the class. The academy, like MOST universities, believes that diversity helps make a better student body. The academy agrees. Also; the academy/air force believes that because the ENLISTED CORP is so diverse, that the LEADERSHIP CORP over the enlisted, should be just as diverse. Mind you, diversity in the eyes of the academy/air force is NOT JUST RACE, Sex, color, etc... It uses diversity the same as with enlisted. race, sex, color, economic back ground, urban vs rural, traditional parents vs single parent, first generation college student, first generation military member vs military heritage, individual who has defied extreme hardship, etc...
There is so much to trying to find the perfectly balanced cadet class. And yes, even the balanced cadet class that has a certain number of IC level athletes. Especially in financial sequester times like now; NCAA Athletics brings in money to the universities. Including the academies. Many think that it's ALL TAX DOLLARS that support athletics. It's not. Most academy athletics is paid for through the sport. Ticket sales, alumni association, donations, advertisement, bowl games, basketball tournaments, etc... There is so much to be considered when it comes to appointments.
LOL!!!!
too many questions. Here, PM's, emails, etc... That's cool. I'm going to be brief. "Hopefully".
1. GoBlue. The answer is: "It depends". 1st: a SLOT has to come from that MOC's Slate. In other words, a MOC's SLOT can't be given to someone NOT on their slate. But, if an individual on the slate, given the appointment, TURNS IT DOWN; it is possible for the academy to NOT FILL that slot; THIS YEAR. Depending on WHEN the individual turns it down, the academy may decide that this MOC already has 3-4 at the academy, and being the individual they DID APPOINT, turned it down; they may leave the slot vacant this year, and the MOC will have 2 available next year. Mind you, this is an EXAMPLE!!! The academy may decide, they WILL fill the slot. in which case, then YES, they MUST GO BACK TO THE SLATE. Depending if it's a principal only; ranked; or competitive, they will pick the NEXT appointee. But again; they CAN decide if the appointee turns it down, to give the MOC 2 next year. But let's say the MOC already has 2 vacancies, it's unlikely the academy wants them to have 3 next year. They'll fill that slot. Each case is unique.
2. John. In the simple answer: "YES". The MORE individuals that go to college from your high school, the HIGHER points you get from your school PROFILE. The MORE individuals go to private/elite/etc... type colleges vs state university, the more points again you get. Obviously, there's a balance. I.e. One high school has 100% college bound alumni, but 80% go to state universities and 20% go to private/elite/competitive schools. Vs One high school where only 50% are college bound, but 80% go to private/elite/competitive schools and 20% go to state universities. Also; WHAT IS THE STATE UNIVERSITY??? University of Texas, Austin is a lot different than the University of Wyoming. What about University of California Los Angeles. (UCLA) compared to a PRIVATE College that isn't the most elite?
As you can see, things can get very complicated. But these are definitely important and good questions. It's helps people realize why it takes so long to give out appointments.
And yes, I will say it now, BUT I WON'T ELABORATE ON IT beyond this single post; there IS DIVERSITY FACTORS INVOLVED TOO!!! I don't mean JUST race, sex, color, etc... The fact that 50% of the class comes from MOC slates is diversity. 535 MOCs can have 5 cadets EACH at the academy. Because ALL states and districts are comprised of tax payers, each has an equal percentage of cadets. That's half the class. The academy, like MOST universities, believes that diversity helps make a better student body. The academy agrees. Also; the academy/air force believes that because the ENLISTED CORP is so diverse, that the LEADERSHIP CORP over the enlisted, should be just as diverse. Mind you, diversity in the eyes of the academy/air force is NOT JUST RACE, Sex, color, etc... It uses diversity the same as with enlisted. race, sex, color, economic back ground, urban vs rural, traditional parents vs single parent, first generation college student, first generation military member vs military heritage, individual who has defied extreme hardship, etc...
There is so much to trying to find the perfectly balanced cadet class. And yes, even the balanced cadet class that has a certain number of IC level athletes. Especially in financial sequester times like now; NCAA Athletics brings in money to the universities. Including the academies. Many think that it's ALL TAX DOLLARS that support athletics. It's not. Most academy athletics is paid for through the sport. Ticket sales, alumni association, donations, advertisement, bowl games, basketball tournaments, etc... There is so much to be considered when it comes to appointments.