Big, Big Academic Question

There's a lot of adjusting in those first couple of years. I can say I did not do well in my first year, and I was on academic probation (meaning, as a 3/c I had to actually study during study hour) as I made my way out of the whole I dug my 4/c year. I had to do summer school for Calc II I think. I passed that and got ahead a little by taking macroeconomics. I can also tell you, for me, it was a shock. I was a 4.0er in high school, high in a magnet school class of overachievers, well-rounded, etc etc etc (basically what anyone can say who eventually goes to an academy)... so to struggle that first year was a really check on my inner drive. "I thought I was smart, but now, how can I even consider it. I'm struggling." It's not easy for anyone used to blowing every expectation out of the water, and then, at an academy, fail.

That said, he's got to buckle down and do well over the summer. I know at this point, it can feel like it's all coming down on him and that there's so much pressure (and yes the pressure is real), but like me, he can do it, and rebound for a respectable final three years.

Tell him not to give up hope, many ring knockers have been where he is, and have come out the other side, often better for it.

All you can do as a parent is encourage him, and make sure he isn't spending all of his time on the phone with you when he could be studying.

It's very doable! Good luck!

Best for Candace's DS to take it one step at a time. Today's classes and today's studies are all that should occupy him. Too focus on anything bigger than that would potentially be what overwhelms him. If he focuses on today, each and every day, then I'm confident he'll be successful.
 
I am curious. If someone is near a 4.0 in high school and "America's Best and Brightest", how can they struggle in several classroom subjects? I understand that some people are more science oriented/gifted. But how can someone fall from a 4.0 GPA in HS (with a strong ACT score) and drop to a 2.0 GPA average while working their butt off? Obviously they are not out partying and skipping classes which often happens in civilian college.

I'm not being judgmental. I'm trying to understand how this can happen.

That's the same kind of question the cadet or midshipman asks himself.

"I was gifted. I was a 4.0 student. I took 7 APs and passed the tests. I had leadership positions. I was liked. I had volunteer activities. I played sports. I was relied on and valued in the groups I worked with. And now, in the course of a summer I'm having issues in the classroom and I, who used to attend selective summer programs, will have to go to summer school. And to make things worse, if I don't do well, I have to go home, a failure. And failing is something I've never really done."


So how does that happen? For me, I was very organized in high school. I got great grades, did well on tests, had friends and played sports. July 1, 2002, I reported to the Coast Guard Academy and had a rude awakening. I wasn't anything special. Plenty of people got great grades, did well on tests, had friends and played sports. Swab Summer was rough. I think at some point I felt like I hadn't earned it, that I wasn't good enough and that I couldn't make it. I had one swab summer roommate in particular who got me through it. At my lowest point he supported me and pushed me to keep going. He knows he did it. I've told him more than once. He's a good guy.

So you go from being a "big deal" to really doubting yourself (at least I did). During swab summer my cadre said I was a bad cadet, and that I didn't deserve to be associated with the Coast Guard. So they made me get tape, cover up all of the "Coast Guard" on my gym gear and write "Civlian" over it. Then, we went to a slightly more relaxed activity at Stonington and my classmates asked me "why do you have tape on there..." and "why does it say civilian?" I had been instructed by my cadre to tell anyone who asked "because I don't deserve to be here." It wasn't constructive. It didn't eventually make me a better swab or a better cadet. It crushed me. I was a joke. Can you imagine realizing what a joke you are, and then thinking about how disappointed your parents would be? The people that invested so much in you, and were so proud you were selected to go to such an elite school? To think of them also realizing what apparently your cadre already know... you don't deserve to be there? That you were unworthy?

And I will say, that takes a toll on you, whether you know you're the "best and brightest" or not. A few years later I told a nice platoonmate about that, and she started to cry. And I can't say I didn't doubt myself for awhile after that. I felt like, maybe, I just got by. Maybe I didn't deserve to be there. Maybe I wasn't "worthy of the traditions of officers in the United States Coast Guard." It affected me longer than the summer, or a year. I can promise you, as a cadre, I didn't do anything like that to my swabs. I yelled and whispered, and swabs would sometimes cry, but I never told them they were worthless or that they weren't worthy of the Coast Guard.

And then swab summer was over. But the rough 4/c wasn't that much easier, except now I wasn't just being told what do to, I also had to manage my time.

So in the middle of this culture shock, I also had school work to do. And, while school came easliy at my magnet high school, I had to juggle this work with cleaning and getting yelled at (a lot), making some friends (but not as many as I would have liked), playing sports and being ready for the PFE, etc. Maybe I was depressed, at some point, I don't know. I do know I wasn't have a very good time, and sometimes hated my life. Honestly, now, I can't remember what I did to escape it. I thought I hung out with friends when i should have been studying, but I dont' remember doing that.

There's more going on at an academy than just "going to college." It isn't the jump from high school to college that is a burden. The true burden is, while you're making that jump from high school to college, other things are being piled on too. Some people roll with it (like many of my classmates) and some have some adjusting to do (like me). There's nothing wrong with having to adjust, but at some point you have to remember, you are worthy, you have earned it, and you can do it.
 
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Best for Candace's DS to take it one step at a time. Today's classes and today's studies are all that should occupy him. Too focus on anything bigger than that would potentially be what overwhelms him. If he focuses on today, each and every day, then I'm confident he'll be successful.

100% agree. He knows he can/has done it. Now he just has that to focus on. Academics. He can do it.
 
Part of it may just be the transition from high school academics to college academics. Many never had to really study in high school so think they don't need to in college and/or never had to develop good study habits as a result of their high school experience. Part of it is just tougher material covered much more in depth. Part of it is the very different teaching methods used in college and in particular at the academy. And part too is the demands of the academy on sports, military training, duty, etc. And finally, the grading itself is much more demanding. All of this is true for any kid making a transition to college but especially at the academies.

That being said/written...my DS during his C4C yr was put on AcPro and it was an eye opener for him. I advised him to go for extra help on the subjects he was struggling...I think the biggest obstacle for him personally was PRIDE....he needed to swallow his pride to go in for extra help. He was a solid student in High School...Class President/National Honor Society/Eagle Scout/ Varsity Football etc...so this was prideful blow to/for him. Needless to say...he did go in for help and has now been on the Dean's List every semester so far. He really feels and knows first hand the Instructors are the best and will help those who help themselves by coming in for extra instruction etc...:thumb:
 
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LITS and EagleDriver: EXCELLENT ADVICE and words of wisdome.

A lot of it has to do with attitude. This includes "Pride", being humble to ask for help, etc... This too is part of the academies and the military being part of a team and realizing you can't do it all on your own.

I say this, also, not to discourage or cut down on anyone: While there are plenty of those who do come to the academy and develop some academic issues; there's also others who come to the academy and are able to pull off the 4.0 gpa semester and finish the academy with a 3.9+ gpa. These individuals were the same "TYPE" of student as everyone else who came into the academy from high school.

So, the self reflection that has to be searched is: If everyone coming to the academy (Or most), were the tops in their high schools; had excellent ACT/SAT classes; have all the same schedules in and out of the classroom;........... What makes me, them, us, different????? Why am I having a problem pulling a "2.0 gpa" when someone sitting next to me pulled a 4.0gpa in all subjects this semester????

That's a lot of reflection. I think LITS and EagleDriver keyed onto some important points with "Attitude", "Pride", "Condifence", "Planning skills" (That you probably didn't need in high school), etc... In High School; even in the ADVANCED CLASSES, it is common to TEACH to the lowest common denominator. At the academy, the curriculum is the standard. Individuals are expected to come up to it.

I believe that with the RIGHT ATTITUDE; with the CONFIDENCE in oneself; without TOO MUCH PRIDE to ask for help; and a strong enough desire; the cadet in question can make it through the academics. Many have been on ACPRO. Many have had summer school. But many others haven't. You might need to "RELEARN" HOW TO LEARN. "ARMY TRAINING SIR!!!" Best of luck.
 
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LITS and CC. Thanks for sharing. I agree. Everyone can perform at a higher level when they are confident. When you are on your game, it's so much easier to kick butt.

My sons point of view was many cadets that struggled didn't do well with their time management skills. I figured it had to be deeper than that.
 
LITS and CC. Thanks for sharing. I agree. Everyone can perform at a higher level when they are confident. When you are on your game, it's so much easier to kick butt.

My sons point of view was many cadets that struggled didn't do well with their time management skills. I figured it had to be deeper than that.

He's correct that time management is a huge part of it. I think an academy takes the issue of time management and puts it on steroids.
 
I advised him to go for extra help on the subjects he was struggling...I think the biggest obstacle for him personally was PRIDE....he needed to swallow his pride to go in for extra help.

I never understood that (common) way of thinking. I know my DS is constantly going to his professors in an attempt to master the material. He did that all along in junior high as well as senior high. He made the Ace's list this past semester which further boosts he confidence. I predict a lot of the best students ask for a lot of help. The PRIDE comes from getting great grades. There is positively no shame in leaning on the experts (instructors). :)
 
High school straight As are not all the same. It's amazing the disparate quality of schools across the country. I didn't put much credence into that notion once I got to USAFA. Plenty of valedictorians got AcPro and plenty of "above average" high school students thrived.

Unfortunately those who struggled, failed, and continued to fail weren't really stopped by "pride" and refusing to ask for help - typically they continued to fail because, well, if they couldn't just get it, no point in trying more - so they just give up and hope things magically work out (usually they don't). There is such a culture promoting "EI" and asking for academic help that I found the pride hypothesis was incorrect. If anything, the symptoms quoted in this thread, as I observed in my time, came down to a different set of reasons (and ones I never use lightly) -entitlement. You will almost never hear me use this reason for anything, so I mean it here. More than not, I found these people felt slighted by the notion that they weren't just given another award since they were already so perfect. That the system was inherently built against them. This is different from pride. In the pride hypothesis - they feel ashamed to ask for help because they think they are/should be better and shouldn't be needing help. In the entitlement hypothesis - they feel insulted by the notion they need help because they shouldn't need help getting anything, it's their right to do well.

It's no secret I excelled academically at USAFA. So I was typically asked to be a squadron tutor and held academic nco/officer positions typically one semester a year. I tutored a lot of peers, upperclassmen, and underclassmen. I also advised on the best resources to seek help. During those years, those that became successful were the ones who either didn't have the entitled feeling or who learned to get over it. Those that failed were almost always of the entitled lot and their failures only served to reinforce their own self-aggrandizement.
 
If anything, the symptoms quoted in this thread, as I observed in my time, came down to a different set of reasons (and ones I never use lightly) -entitlement. You will almost never hear me use this reason for anything, so I mean it here. More than not, I found these people felt slighted by the notion that they weren't just given another award since they were already so perfect. That the system was inherently built against them. This is different from pride. In the pride hypothesis - they feel ashamed to ask for help because they think they are/should be better and shouldn't be needing help. In the entitlement hypothesis - they feel insulted by the notion they need help because they shouldn't need help getting anything, it's their right to do well.

I am slightly confused (but then, I was an AcPro cadet!)... but "symptoms quoted in this thread," you are referring to...

Are you saying my symptoms were the products of entitlement? Or are there other symptoms being listed here? Or are you differentiating between pride and entitlement in those who make it and those who don't?
 
I am slightly confused (but then, I was an AcPro cadet!)... but "symptoms quoted in this thread," you are referring to...

Are you saying my symptoms were the products of entitlement? Or are there other symptoms being listed here? Or are you differentiating between pride and entitlement in those who make it and those who don't?

Symptoms:
Not seeking help.
Too prideful to go get help.
Stellar student turned probie.

Those that didn't make it overwhelmingly suffered from entitlement issues, not being too prideful to ask for help. Many that barely made it also suffered the same. Subtle types of pride being discussed. The difference between pride of doing well and pride of expecting to do well as default.
 
LITS, great advice. Candace I will pray for your cadet. It has not been so long ago that I cannot relate to you. The culture during sequestration has changed the playing field for so many at USAFA. I want to make it perfectly clear, I do not blame anyone for what happened to my son at USAFA. He was disenrolled after one semester for academics. He was a swimmer on the men's team. He could not work through the lack of sleep(due to swimming 20-25 of practice a week mornings and afternoons) and the demands of cadet life, and swim. Together they were a disaster. He went to EI regularly, he went to study skills regularly. He tried to quit his sport-the coach wouldn't let him. Had we as parents known, we would have told him to stop going to practice. He was so worried about our feelings that he didn't communicate his issues until it was too late. I also have a C1C who is thriving. A flip of the coin, a different squadron, different kid. They all equal different things to different people. My C1C tells me it is not necessarily an ARC board any more, but is now labeled a disenrollment board. The uptick in disenrollments is considerably from 1st semester. Many of the things LITS said are true about making them feel like they don't deserve to be there. My DS was brutalized by the board, even after taking full responsibility for his actions. He came home a different person. After 4 months, a lot of soul searching, and finally some hope, he is more like the person I remember. However, there is not a day that goes by that he doesn't wish he was still at USAFA. He never got a second chance. That is the face of sequestration.
 
If you get in a big hole right away, it is very difficult to get back from (personal experience). For those people who are in the 1.9 range in an area, that is usually recoverable within a semester. I'm not saying it isn't going to be tough work, because it probably will be. I'm saying it has been done by a number of people, much like the average cadet on probation.
 
Excellent words ramius. The first thing a cadet has to realize is that there isn't one thing they will go through at the academy that someone prior to them hasn't gone through. Also, there isn't one challenge they will confront that someone else prior hasn't had to address. Equally, that many others who have been in the same boat as them, conquered these challenges. So dump the pride, dump any possible self pity, dump being discouraged, and dump any self doubt. Become determined. If others before you can do it, so can you. Of course, you have to want to. If the academy and military life style isn't what you thought it was going to be and you don't think you really want it, then don't do it. But if you really want it, then you can do it. There isn't one academic course in the world that you can't learn if you want to.

But your goal can't be to just pass. Your goal should be a 4.0 GPA in every class you take. The goal should be when you get the final grade, that you can be honest with yourself and say you gave it everything. Again, academically, there isn't one class at the academy or in life that you can't learn. Maybe you don't know how to manage time. Maybe you don't know how to learn on your own. This is where you use you resources. Get help. Again, you are not in a unique position. Others before you have been there and have conquered it.
 
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