Bikers protest Westboro Baptist demonstrators at Arlington burial

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Alright folks- the SCOTUS has heard the case and until they release their findings- probably in April there really isn't much else to discuss on this one. Let's not turn this into another attack on each other- so unless there is something of substance to add about the arguments made in front of the Supreme Court yesterday (of which there are a number of stories out )- let's let this thread slide into oblivion until the court comes out with its decision.
 
scoutpilot said:
We all pretty much started ignoring you after you wheeled out your boatload of "red herrings" (in quotation marks because you so dearly love the phrase) about the Maryland AG.
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Just as we all started laughing at you when you proclaimed a belief in the Doug Gansler "at the entrance of the church" quote in The Washington Post, despite sworn court testimony and video evidence of the contrary.

The evidence has been presented in court.

It's your choice to believe it, or The Washington Post's interview with non-party in the case.
 
bruno said:
let's let this thread slide into oblivion until the court comes out with its decision.
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Have the indicated a time frame as to when they may render a decision? The end of this year? Spring? I would hope it doesn't go out longer than a few months.
 
Luigi59 said:
Have the indicated a time frame as to when they may render a decision? The end of this year? Spring? I would hope it doesn't go out longer than a few months.
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Yes, early next year. Sometime between Jan and March probably.
 
Here is an interview with Albert Snyder that was on CNN American Morning:

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/07/snyder-pastor-phelps-actions-cause-emotional-stress/?hpt=T2

Read/watch it for yourself but here are a few excerpts:

Snyder said:
And it wasn't just about them showing up at the funeral. It was about what they did before and after the funeral. Two days before that funeral, they sent out notices to press and emerge - you know, the authorities. This notice had matt's picture on it. It has a military coffin. Underneath it, it's burial of an ass. Then it went on to say we'll be protesting at St. John's Catholic dog kennel.
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Snyder said:
I knew they were go to come there. They stood 30 feet from the main vehicle entrance of the church, and what the vehicle procession had to be rerouted, we still came within 300 feet of the church.
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Just_A_Mom said:
http://www.abanet.org/publiced/preview/briefs/pdfs/09-10/09-751_Petitioner.pdf

Open this document and read Mr Snyder's account of the facts beginning on page 13.
(they differ somewhat from Luigi's and are more in line with the MD AG)
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So you're saying that Snyder committed perjury? :confused:

After all, he testified under oath at the trial (and the court found it to be "undisputed") that he could not see, nor did he see, any protesters until later on TV.

Why would he change his story after the fact?

Oh, that's right - $11,000,000.
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Just_A_Mom said:
http://www.abanet.org/publiced/preview/briefs/pdfs/09-10/09-751_Petitioner.pdf

Open this document and read Mr Snyder's account of the facts beginning on page 13.
(they differ somewhat from Luigi's and are more in line with the MD AG)
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http://www.abanet.org/publiced/preview/briefs/pdfs/09-10/09-751_Respondent.pdf

Open this document and read Ms. Phelp's account of the facts beginning at the bottom of page 6 and on to page 7.
(they differ somewhat from Just_A_Mom and scoutpliot's and are completely out of line with the statement of the MD AG).

Especially this part:

A professionally-made video (Supplemental Joint Appendix,
last page), and aerial photos of the scene
(Supplemental Joint Appendix 1 and 12), reflect that
it was physically impossible for anyone going to the
funeral to see WBC’s picketers (Appendix, Vol. IX,
2475-2491; Vol. XV, 3796 and DVD, Joint Supplemental
Appendix, last page [Ex. 19, admitted 10/25/07];
Vol. VIII, 2218-2219, 2294; Vol. IX, 2366, 2495).​

:rolleyes:
 
Who really cares. What I care about is:

1. Protesters have the right to express themselves, without others standing in their way.
2. Mourners have the right to express themselves, (Grieve), without others standing in their way.
3. I have the right to NOT respect someone who isn't considerate towards another person's right to express. (In this case, to grieve).

They have made it clear that if they COULD, they'd attend the actual funeral and express themselves. Whether they do or not, is enough for me to NOT RESPECT them. I can respect their right to express themselves, but I don't have to respect them for being insensitive slobs who are "Protesting" at the wrong forum. They should be protesting at the front gate of a military installation; in front of Federal buildings; on Pennsylvania Avenue. NOT at an individual's funeral, where others are trying to "Express themselves" via mourning, grieving, and paying respects. In other words; whether the protesters followed the letter of the law or not and stayed "X" amount of feet from the church or cemetery, the fact remains that they DON'T respect the mourner's rights, like they expect others to respect theirs. If they did, they'd be protesting at a more appropriate location, in front of individuals who have some affect on their grievance. Being they don't respect the mourners, I don't respect them. They can all rot in hell for all I care.

Anyone will be hard pressed to find anyone more Pro-1st/2nd amendment than I am. I will support the rights of flag burners and those who call me a baby killer. But rights work both way. You don't protest mourners. You don't protest grievers. When you do, you are directly affecting THEIR RIGHT to express themselves. I WILL NOT respect that. If they had been protesting at a federal building, I would be defending them 100%.
 
Luigi59 said:
http://www.abanet.org/publiced/preview/briefs/pdfs/09-10/09-751_Respondent.pdf

Open this document and read Ms. Phelp's account of the facts beginning at the bottom of page 6 and on to page 7.
(they differ somewhat from Just_A_Mom and scoutpliot's and are completely out of line with the statement of the MD AG).

Especially this part:

A professionally-made video (Supplemental Joint Appendix,
last page), and aerial photos of the scene
(Supplemental Joint Appendix 1 and 12), reflect that
it was physically impossible for anyone going to the
funeral to see WBC’s picketers (Appendix, Vol. IX,
2475-2491; Vol. XV, 3796 and DVD, Joint Supplemental
Appendix, last page [Ex. 19, admitted 10/25/07];
Vol. VIII, 2218-2219, 2294; Vol. IX, 2366, 2495).​

:rolleyes:
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Once again, I am forced to derail your wild accusations with a dose of reality.

NEVER have I posted any claims about where the protestors were or were not. I simply pointed out that you frequently try to decry the credibility of those with whom you do not agree. In this case, it was the Maryland AG. In this thread you have, in order, claimed him to be lacking credibility, a liar, ignorant, and then again a liar.

I have ASKED questions about the issues, including the protestors' location, challenged your juvenile accusations against those you don't like, and repeatedly asked that people discuss the current arguments in this case and not their personal prejudices.

To use your phrase, truth is always a defense. So there's the truth.
 
and with that- I believe that this thread will come to a close. Too many posters focusing on other posters- or blasting away at the Maryland AG rather than reviewing the case and the arguments made to the Supreme Court yesterday
 
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