Board qualified + nom =?

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  1. HiMyNameisNick

    HiMyNameisNick Member

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    I am "board qualified" for USNA. I also received a letter today stating that my congressman is nominating me.

    Where specifically does this put me with regards to an appointment?

    Regards,
    Nick
     
  2. mmb5

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    If you're 3Q'd and nominated, it usually means that you are eligible for an appointment. It depends on how your MOC nominates: if he/she submits a slate of ten without ranking, you're ina smaller applicant pool than you were, competing either for that appointment slot or on the National Wait List. A minority of MOCs name principal nominees: if you're that person and 3Q'd, then you are entitled to an appointment.
     
  3. Whistle Pig

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    It means you are now eligible for appointment, unless your nom is a principal. In this case, you're in. In the former case, you MAY be in, but not necessarily. with 3Q and a non-principal nomination, you are now eligible to compete for an appointment.

    While one scenario trumps the other, congrats on either. Absent any nom, zero chance. Go get 'em! Best wishes for getting that thick envelope!
     
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    Luigi59 Banned

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    Based on previous admissions statistics, candidates who are 3Q and have a nomination have a 75% chance of receiving an appointment.
     
  5. HiMyNameisNick

    HiMyNameisNick Member

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    does "board qualified" mean 3 q'd?

    I check with dodmerb I know im medically qualified.

    I emailed my RD and he said :
    "Yes you are physically and academically qualified to compete for an appointment"

    Does this make me 3 q'd?
     
  6. Luigi59

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    Yes.

    Scholastically qualified + physically qualified (pass CFA) + medically qualified (DODMERB) = 3Q (triple qualified).
     
  7. janike

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    Clarification?

    I am a bit confused about this statistic. For example, let's say Congressman X nominates 10 unranked candidates. Let's assume all 10 are 3 Q'd. Then how can 75% have a chance at receiving a nomination if Congressman X only has one spot? Any clarification would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
     
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    Because you cannot assume that all 10 are qualified. :wink:

    Based on the USNA's own statistics (let's use the Class of 2012), only 3,838 candidates received a nomination.

    Of those 3,858 nominated candidates, only 2,197 were qualified (3Q).

    So despite the inflated numbers of applications, nominations, etc - the REAL applicant pool can only consist of candidates who are legally allowed to received an appointment - those who:

    1) Have a valid legal nomination, and

    2) Are fully qualified.

    And in 2008 (Class of 2012) there were 2,197 candidates eligible for appointment (3Q + nom).

    Of those 2,197 legally qualified/nominated candidates, there were 1,537 appointment offers.

    1,537 / 2,197 = 70% chance of appointment for a 3q + nom candidate.

    (For Class of 2013, the numbers were 1,667 / 2,253 = 74%)
     
  9. janike

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    Ahhh! Now it makes sense! Thanks Luigi59 for clearing that up. I guess I just assumed (and we all know that it is dangerous to assume :wink:) that the majority of candidates receiving noms would be qualified or the Congressman would not nominate them. Thanks for posting the additional stats...very interesting numbers! Does the admissions board post those stats somewhere?
     
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    Most MoC do not inquire about the medical status of a candidate (or perhaps they are not allowed to ask) before awarding a nomination, or some candidates may simply be waiting for medical waivers that never arrive.

    You can usually find it while searching for the term "class profile."
     
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    if the chances of someone receiving an appointment with 3q and nomination are 75%, do you know, what the percentage is for kids who have an loa and nomination?
    im still waiting for my nomination, because my congressman and senators are cruel, and making me wait until january 31st to hear anything.
     
  12. USNA2015Candidate

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    If you have an LOA and a nomination and you are medically qualified then you're in.


    I'm in the same boat as the OP. I'm 3q'd with a nom in a very competitive district (Maryland 8th).
     
  13. gonavy2015

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    If the number of applications for class of 2015 has increased dramatically, then then number of 3Q'D applicants will increase proportionately but the class size stays the same, then the percentage chance for an appointment will likely go down.....??
     
  14. time2

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    Those currently applying shouldn't get overly wrapped up in statistics and percentages, because none of that really matters in getting an appointment. A significant number of people counted as starting the application process never complete it, so that may not have any bearing on the eventual number who are 3Q AND have a NOM. Many start the process and for whatever reasons don't follow through and/or change their minds about wanting to attend.

    If you are currently applying your are better off focusing on what you CAN control (i.e. getting good grades in h.s., being in great physical shape, etc.), rather than worrying about percentages.
     
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    That assumption cannot be made. An increase in applications does not mean that a proportional increase in qualified applicants.

    Compare 2009 to 2012:

    2009 had 3% more applications (11,259) than 2012 (10,960) yet had far fewer (-17.5%) 3Q+N candidates (1,812) than 2012 (2,196).


    PS - The ending sentence in my post above (referencing the class of 2013) is incorrect, as those numbers are from USAFA, not USNA. For some reason, USNA declined to publish those numbers for 2013.
     
  16. Luigi59

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    Exactly. :thumb:
     
  17. USNA2015Candidate

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    True, but the number of nominations available remains the same.
     
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    I've not seen any stats on LOAs ...merely speculation, perhaps? ...thus trying to figure out % of those w/ LOAs and noms might be uncalculable?

    The LOA thing is a closely-held card in a complex deck. And becoming 3 Qed has multiple, many potenial issues.

    Do anyone(s) have any data? This verges on Campbell's Law, seems to me.
     
  19. USNA2015Candidate

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    Does the strength of your congressional district in terms of competitiveness play a role in receiving an appointment?

    I ask this because a friend of mine who is a plebe right now has told me that last year all 10 people from our congressional district received appointments plus more. According to my friend, the academy takes the leftover appointment slots from districts without any qualified applicants and gives them to very competitive districts.

    This is completely different from what I've been told from other sources. I don't know if my friend is misinformed or this is the reality of the situation. I have been told many things about the process so it's very difficult to separate fact from fiction.
     
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    Well, maybe. Logic might suggest that traditionally competitive districts will continue to be highly competitive and possibly (but not necessarily) generating exceptional candidates who will be exceptional candidates in the national pool. But all this requires extrapolating past patterns and imposing the same outcomes on current (and future candidates.) In reality there is no way to know the reality of what you're asking except in hindsight.

    So it doesn't matter now ...and after the fact it matters even less. Someone's really overthinking this one.

    Control those variables that you can. Don't sweat those you can't. And discern the diff.
     

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