Branching, OML, OMS
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There are things outside of ROTC that are classified as EC's as well.
My son is in a Fraternity, he has held a couple positions on the council. As a member of the house he has participated in quite a few intramural sports. Last year as a sophomore he was a University Senator. All of these are things that count toward the OMS score. None of them by themselves are high in points, together they do help. Charity and community service helps as well.
A lot depends on how much time the student has and how well they manage their time.
So I was talking to a completion Cadet who for whatever reason couldn't commission last year, but went through the accessions counseling. He received a LAMS of 72 last accessions cycle. That would have landed him below the AD cutoff. When he went through the counseling this cycle (with the same stats), he received a 78. Anyone able to take an educated guess as to what this means for this year group?
My son called yesterday and told me his score is 90. He received an overall E at LDAC, with an E in every eval, only 1 of 2 in his regiment. His cadre ranked him #2, but his eval was full of some extremely glowing praise. He averages about 270 on the APFT. His is first choice is MI, hoping not to get detailed but willing to go Armor if need be. He said that he doesn't know what he wants to put for 2nd or 3rd choice.
My question is with that score will he get MI and if you think he will have to detail. He is not worried about AD with his score.
He also mentioned that their PMS said the average score in their Brigade was in the low 60's.
My question is with that score will he get MI and if you think he will have to detail. He is not worried about AD with his score.
He also mentioned that their PMS said the average score in their Brigade was in the low 60's.
Has his PMS counseled him on branching yet? The new accessions PowerPoint has the anticipated fill rates for this new branching system.
As far as the brigade average, that doesn't really seem right. That would be a very, very poor average if it were the case.
As far as the brigade average, that doesn't really seem right. That would be a very, very poor average if it were the case.
Tell your son nice job.
I agree, 60's as an average for the brigade seems really low considering that is at least 10% plus lower then the national average. Either the number is wrong or the brigade had some serious problems.
Being #1 in his battalion helped your son a lot, the university being in the Top 20 doesn't add any benefit to his score.
My son had a 94.4 OMS a couple years ago and finished 10.34% on the Active Duty OML. With a 90 OMS your son will most likely be in the top 20% of the AD OML, that should be good for MI, whether he is detailed will depend on the number of 2LT's the MI branch needs right now.
When he completes his Branch selection he should consider selecting a detail, this way he has a better chance of getting a detail he would be happy with, if he does not select a detail and is detailed, the Army will select one for him. I saw a cadet branch MI only to find out they were detailed Chem Corps, not what he wanted, he had gambled and did not select a detail up front.
To help his chances for MI he might want to consider an ADSO, if he is able to branch without an ADSO he won't have to use it. Sort of a safety net if he is willing to add the extra 3 years, plus it will give him more time in the MI brabch if he ends up being detailed, details run for 3 years.
Congratulations to your son, now the waiting begins.
I wonder if that has anything to do with the switch this year to more points from the Battalion and less from LDAC.
The new accessions brief is now online.
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Interesting, good to see it on digits.
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I knew MS was hard to branch, but it's literally right behind IN for slot allocations (if I read it right...cell phone...small screen).
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Yup, lots of cadets choose it because they think they will become 67Js or for other various other reasons some realistic some not.
It's gotten a lot more popular in recent years.
Your eyes are excellent.
However, the distributions on that chart are based upon "last year's behavior" where many cadets may have selected MS because they didn't select AV because of "dead zone" situations.
I suspect that with the opportunity to get into the "historically popular branches" through DABM with more consideration (my interpretation of the last comment on slide 9) for ADSO, more cadets than ever will put the most popular branches at the top of their lists with ADSO.
Heck, a lot of cadets who would have never even considered putting AV in their top 3 because of dead zone consideration will take a flier (pun intended) on it.
I think new model definitely will affect the branch choices (both in selection and ADSO taking) for those previously in the dead zone.
One last thought... The numbers filled "from the top of the list" won't change that much. I did the math on a branch that (for simplified math) had 100 for its total branch needs. Here is how FY13 vs FY14 would work:
FY13
100 total slots
10% or 10 slots pre-allocated to DABM (most branches did this)
90 total slots available to pre-branch from the top
Top 50% - 45 slots allocated without ADSO
15% to ADSO - 13 slots allocated with ADSO
Total of 58 slots allocated from the top of the OML.
FY14
100 total slots
No slots pre-allocated to DABM in new model
100 total slots available to pre-branch from the top
Top 40% - 40 slots allocated without ADSO
15% - 15 slots allocated with ADSO
Total of 55 slots allocated from the top of the OML
I believe math should work for any branch that had 10% held for DABM in the past.
For those MSIVs who may be wondering about how to approach the "popular branches", I think the following parts of the presentation tell a lot about how to approach the situation:
From slide 9 -
From slide 10 -
Also from slide 10 -
What this tells me:
1) More ADSOs will be enforced. Note that once you leave the top 10% of cadets, if you check the ADSO box and get the branch (other than branch detail if I interpret Basic branching correctly), you get charged the ADSO, even if you are in the top 40% of the pre-branch fill. Be careful when you are sure to get the branch to only check the ADSO if you really want to commit for the extra 3 years.
2) If you fall into DABM (which it appears that many cadets will), it would appear that ADSO will be considered (and charged) as part of the DABM process. It may increase your chances for a branch checking the ADSO box. Of course it will be charged if you get it.
3) Without the top half/bottom half issue in DABM, balancing will happen, but your chances of getting a branch are equal to any other cadets with similar stats and branch choices (and ADSO selections).
4) It would appear that branch preferences beyond 3rd (or higher if you do not list them) are no longer part of the DABM process (not mentioned in the slides). Unless you really don't have a preference among the remaining branches (which I highly doubt), fill out 3 branches for pre-branch and DABM to consider. You can't ADSO for the 3rd choice, so it can be looked at as the least worst of the rest if you really don't like anything but IN and AR.
From slide 9 -
From slide 10 -
Also from slide 10 -
What this tells me:
1) More ADSOs will be enforced. Note that once you leave the top 10% of cadets, if you check the ADSO box and get the branch (other than branch detail if I interpret Basic branching correctly), you get charged the ADSO, even if you are in the top 40% of the pre-branch fill. Be careful when you are sure to get the branch to only check the ADSO if you really want to commit for the extra 3 years.
2) If you fall into DABM (which it appears that many cadets will), it would appear that ADSO will be considered (and charged) as part of the DABM process. It may increase your chances for a branch checking the ADSO box. Of course it will be charged if you get it.
3) Without the top half/bottom half issue in DABM, balancing will happen, but your chances of getting a branch are equal to any other cadets with similar stats and branch choices (and ADSO selections).
4) It would appear that branch preferences beyond 3rd (or higher if you do not list them) are no longer part of the DABM process (not mentioned in the slides). Unless you really don't have a preference among the remaining branches (which I highly doubt), fill out 3 branches for pre-branch and DABM to consider. You can't ADSO for the 3rd choice, so it can be looked at as the least worst of the rest if you really don't like anything but IN and AR.
My daughter had her counseling today. The new LTC (new to both the BN and ROTC cadre in general it sounds like), said that he had checked her OMS a few days ago and again today it was almost 5 points higher than it was then.
He didn't have any idea why and I thought I'd ask if anyone know whether CC is still putting in LDAC scores (she was last reg) and if anyone else here has had a change in their OMS.
She turned in her branch choices and ADSOs based upon that score, but was wondering if there are still points being added (or worse yet subtracted)?
Anyone with an idea about this?
I'll check with her later, but from the sound of things he looked it up online a few days ago and then again today and found today's score was higher. Does it seems plausible that they are still inputting score at this late of a date?
Do you know when your "old" LAMS sheet was printed and when your CCIMS score was noted?
It seems strange that a score would jump almost 5 points within a couple of days- not sure if they were missing data or if the total OML score is not concrete rather it adjusts up and down based upon those below and above you. Does anyone has any insight to that scenario as to if a person's OML overall is a fixed number or if it adjusts as more PMS's enter in their scorings throughout the nation?
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Got counseled yesterday. Personally, had OMS of 83. The top cadets in the Btn had in the mid 90s. PMS said that unofficially the general sense seems to be that the AD cutoff line will be around 80.
Lucky for me, I got an MI slot in the Reserves.
Good luck to everyone else waiting to hear what they get!
Lucky for me, I got an MI slot in the Reserves.
Good luck to everyone else waiting to hear what they get!