Camo Uniforms slammed

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  1. Pima

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    http://www.military.com/daily-news/...flage-uniforms.html?comp=7000023317828&rank=1

    It seems the only ones that received praise from the GAO were the Marines
    It goes on to say
    Way to go Marines!
     
  2. BigBear

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  3. raimius

    raimius USAFA Alumnus

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    The Marines were the only ones who actually designed a camo pattern that worked :)thumb:), but now they're too prideful to let others use it. That's a nice big "F YOU!" to their "brothers in arms." :unhappy::thumbdown:
     
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    Anymore, the Marines spend more time worrying about their brand image than actually doing anything.

    The SecNav could easily fix that.
     
  5. NorwichDad

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    DS just got the brand new Army camos which are replacing the 12 sets he has in his closet. But these will be replaced by the universal set. Army just go back to green it looked so good on these guys except Klinger

    [​IMG]
     
  6. raimius

    raimius USAFA Alumnus

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    My opinion is that combat uniforms should be the best camo pattern and cut available, in order to conceal people and gear, carry stuff and protect those doing the carrying. I don't see how that can be accomplished by giving out various patterns, based on service image. Further, having the same "team" wearing different patterns increases the chances of being spotted and the chances that a smart enemy will target specific members based upon known functions.

    Leave distinctive uniforms to the Class A/Service dress uniforms, not the stuff you wear into combat.
     
  7. KPEngineer

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    Your assumption on their motives is incorrect. MARPAT includes an integrated EGA in its pattern. The method used to integrate it actually makes it difficult to remove. There were discussions several years ago about removing the EGA and letting the Navy have it but since the Navy wasn't asking too strenuously and the process wasn't as easy as first envisioned the idea was shelved. The Marines and the Army work very closesly on the acquisition of most similar type items (helmets, packs, etc.), the army was more interested in doing their own thing.
     
  8. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    I'm guessing it would cost less than $6.3 million to just remove the EGA... this is the federal government and I've been wrong before.
     
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    From the conversations I had with the Lead Engineer for that specific program office, my understanding is that cost was of no consideration.
     
  10. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Awwww.... military fashion designers are engineers!
     
  11. KPEngineer

    KPEngineer Eternal Father ...

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    Engineers are finding their way into evverrywheeere ... We can be considered an invasive species.
     
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    The trouble with us engineers (besides not being able to spell) is that we can do anything we are asked. And we don't always question it...You want a car a to failure after the warrantee fails but not too long after..no problem...you want that devices to made for $1.00 and it currently cost $100.00 no problem...you want a $1,000 dollar hammer no problem...etc.
     
  13. raimius

    raimius USAFA Alumnus

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    How so?

    http://www.stripes.com/news/us/hous...ranches-share-one-camouflage-pattern-1.225978

    So, basically, the Marines claim to have the best uniform, but if anyone else in the DoD can wear the best uniform, the Marines lose their identity. Therefore, no one else can wear the best camo pattern.

    The maturity of that line of reasoning for denying other services a camo pattern is not something I can easily describe in a manner fit for print. :unhappy:
     
  14. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    And yet with simple directions and billions of dollars, engineers screwed up how many Coast Guard cutters?
     
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    At least all of the extended 110's....
     
  16. KPEngineer

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    That is the opinion of the current SMMC. They have nothing to do with disucssions and efforts to share the pattern with other services that took place 5+ years ago. I agree with your sentiments regarding his sentiments as expressed. There are plenty of ways to be distinctive without changing the pattern.

    There should be one camo pattern for everyone. Lets keep in mind the purpose of the uniform, its designed to be worn in the field where we are all on the same team and we really don't want to be confused with the other guys. Instead of having different camo patterns to show our service identities, how about we just stop wearing utilities when the service uniform is appropriate.
     
  17. pathnottaken

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    This is what I mean...You may have thought they had simple direction, but I can promise you their management was more worried about keeping the billions then spending it on a correctly engineered cutter. So here is what an engineer is told "Do just enough to get us the next contract and not a penney more. And since the same people get the contracts ever year the engineers did what they were told...Your cutter screwed up...just bunch of swabs complaining...(not me talking but company during contract talks)

    Easy to blame the engineer, we do screw up often as the rest, but to truly screw up requires management.
     
  18. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Except that when a cutter starts to buckle, that screw up ends careers and contracts...and then, engineers do not do whatever they're told because no new contract was coming. A law suit did follow however, so if we're talking "absolute value" I guess you could consider it a "contract."
     
  19. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Thus making the 123' on my class crest "vintage".
     
  20. KPEngineer

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    The DoD acquisition system is severly disfunctional. The USCG is even worse because they do it the least ... or does that make them better?, Hmmmmmm

    In truth, it is very little to do with individuals (by person, or by billet) within the system. The overall, departmental approach is designed almost solely to prevent protests from the vendors in the awarding of the contract and is not designed to produce a quality product.

    How long has the Chair Force been trying to replace their tankers? Look at the overlap in the design/build timeline for a Navy ship and you will be scratching your head.
     

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