Can I get an AFROTC scholarship?

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  1. Tkaler

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    Hey guys. This is my first post here and I am curious about my chances for an AFROTC scholarship.
    My stats:
    GPA: 3.57 (unweighted), 4.08 (weighted)
    ACT: 33 ( 33R, 33E, 33M, 32S)
    SAT: 1390 (700CR, 690M) (1400 super scored) should I report this?
    College credit: Wil graduate with 20+ (2 AP's, 2 Dual Enrollment, 19 honors)
    Major: Non technical (finance/international business)

    Extracurriculars:
    Baseball (9th, 10th) shoulder surgery prevented play junior year, and I may have to have another surgery (possibly requesting PFA waiver because of the inability to do pushups)
    Future Business Leaders of America (FBLA) (10th, 11th, 12th)
    Distributive Education Clubs of America (DECA) (11th, 12th)
    Volunteering: ~100 hours of miscellaneous work

    Awards:
    FBLA: 2011: 1st place at districts (E-Business), 7th place at State (E-business)
    DECA: 2012: 3rd place at invitational (Financial Services Team Decision Making), 1st place at districts (Financial Services Team Decision Making), 4th place at State (Financial Services Team Decision Making), 4th place at State (International Business Plan), International Competitor (International Business Plan)
    Baseball: 2011 Summer: State tournament most valuable hitter

    Leadership:
    Vice President of DECA
    Team leader in organization of fundraisers, raising $1500<

    Work Experience:
    Summer 2012: Social Media Marketing and Search Engine Optimization for international manufacturing automation company (~8 hrs/week)
    Summer 2012: Financial Metrics and Reporting for international consumer services franchising company (~16 hrs/week)

    High School of Business
    Not sure if this is relevant to the AF, but my school is one of about 40 in the country that offers the High School of Business. What it is is that students take certain classes throughout their high school years, and they graduate with a separate diploma from the "High School of Business". There is talk about making this diploma worth 12 credits at our state colleges, because the classes are equivalent to those of a first year business student in college. I will graduate with this diploma, and I did not factor these credits into the previous 20+

    Medical Issues
    As previously mentioned, I had surgery on my shoulder to repair a torn labrum. During the surgery, a tool broke and a piece was left in my shoulder. I may have to have another operation in the coming months to take it out, thus rendering me unable to do pushups.
    Also, in middle school while playing football, I sustained a hip injury. Throughout many bouts of physical therapy and MRI's, no problem or solution could be determined. However, due to the fact that the shoulder tear was not seen on the MRI, the doctors think that there may be a similar problem in the hip. Most likely a torn hip flexor that didnt heal correctly, or a torn labrum. An opperation will most likely happen here...

    So what do you guys think? I hope the medical problems dont disqualify me...
     
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  2. Jcleppe

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    I'll let others comment on the Academic, Athletic, and Leadership Stats.

    Your biggest hurdle will be getting Qualified through Dodmerb, you will most likely be DQ's right off the bat, then AFROTC will request a waiver if you are a competitive applicant. Waivers are increasingly harder to get. The fact that you will need surgery so close to the application and the unknown and probable surgery for your hip will be a problem. The other issue is that with the surgery if you are unable to do the PFA they will not waive it, there are way too many applicants that have no medical issues.

    The only way you will know for sure is to apply and go through the process. However you should also look heavy at a Plan B and C, your medical situation will be an issue.
     
  3. Tkaler

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    Ok... I would be able to complete the PFA my during college, and I am physically fit. The test wouldn't be a problem for me without the medical issues. My BMI, waist measurements, and situps are all good enough for the maximum points allowed. And the rest would come after the surgery. If I can get a 3 year scholarship, can I defer the PFA until the sophomore year?
     
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  4. Non Ducor Duco

    Non Ducor Duco I am not led, I lead

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    Your gpa is good, not amazing unweighted, but your test scores should make up for that. You seem pretty sound in every area except the physical one. Only one sport, but your medical status will be the biggest issue you'll have to overcome in order to be qualified to accept a scholarship offer since they don't send you to dodmerb for AFROTC until one is offered. But in order to get that far you have to first have a qualifying PFT score. If your surgery will stop you from completing the PFT for a while afterwards, try taking it now if you can manage to get someone qualified to proctor it now that school's out. Hopefully it all works out for you, you'll have a whole year to recover so it may all work out perfectly. Just curious, the (2 AP's, 2 Dual Enrollment, 19 honors), is that what you will graduate with or what you already have?
     
  5. Tkaler

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    Ha that Was a mix. The 19 honors are what I already have. I will graduate with 23. The APs and dual enrollment are what I will graduate with
     
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  6. Tkaler

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    My mistake. I counted down my transcript of honors classes, but they were by semester and not year. So really, I've taken 10 honors classes now, and will graduate with 12.
     
  7. Non Ducor Duco

    Non Ducor Duco I am not led, I lead

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    So then do they give partial college credit for honors where you live? Because 2 AP's and 2 Dual enrollment credits don't add up to 20+ college credits, even if they're all math and science classes they'd only add up to 16, and that's only if you get 4+ on the AP tests. I must be misunderstanding you. Smart kid like you with SAT scores like that has got to graduate with more AP's, unless your school only offers a few, and more than 2 dual enrollment classes if you have been afforded the opportunity. I know a few kids who only did it part time so they could still go back and take classes at their high school, but they never took less than 2 classes a semester so even if they only dual enrolled 1 year they left with 4 classes under their belts. Partially since (and I say partially because most of those kids were extremely well off, some even had their parents pay their way and didn't take a scholarship for some crazy reason. I mean, just because you CAN pay doesn't mean you should), of the two dual enrollment scholarships offered in my state, only 1 was awarded to part time students and it required you to be taking at least 8 credits per semester. And partially because driving to school (I had a 45 min commute but some kids had commutes of a little over an hour) for just 1 class all semester is a waste.
     
  8. Tkaler

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    Our dual enrollment works differently. We have a professor from the college come to our school and teach 3 out of the 5 days per week. They are teaching the majority, therefore it qualifies it somehow as a college class. And it is unusual, but my 4 will add up to 20+. I am taking one class, College Accounting, that will count for 12 credits. Here's the breakdown:
    College Accounting: 12 credits
    Marketing 3: 3 credits
    AP Lang: 4 credits
    AP Statistics: 4 credits
    So 23 in all. Also the possibility of the High School of Business credit could bring that total to 35.
    I really didn't kick it into gear until halfway through my sophomore year. So I missed out on a lot of AP classes. My school offers many AP's in the sciences, but those are not what I choose to use my electives on. I will, however, have taken every business class my school offers (including all of the college-level ones) and received an A in every one.
    We do not get partial college credit for honors classes, they are just weighted for our GPA.
     
  9. Tkaler

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    How do the waivers work, exactly? Would it be possible to get one for my freshman year? I probably wouldn't even need it for that long, just enough to get through the senior year of high school. I would most likely be able to fully participate when very close to the starting date of PT
     
  10. Pima

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    First off, for AFROTC the big question here is are you going TECH or Non-TECH?

    It is a player in this game since @80-85% of all scholarships are awarded to Tech majors.

    I am not so concerned about your uwgpa, but I will be if you say you are in the top 30% of your class, especially if 0% go Ivy, 25% go 4 yr, 50% go 2 yr. This is part of the PAR regarding your WCS. Your curriculum looks to be very rigorous, and that is a positive, but if the school hands out A's like candy Apples in October, it will come back to bite you.

    I agree with everyone the DoDMERB issue is a big issue. DoDMERB Q's or DQ's. Branches decide to waive the DQ. They will request the waiver, you have no voice in this decision. In this current fiscal military budget waivers are occurring less and less by the day. Think of it like health care and a pre-existing condition. Waive you, they will pay for it as long as you are in the military. Not saying it won't happen, just saying why it is happening less frequently.

    My best suggestion to you is to get your records in order and be prepared to fight. Hoping that won't be the case, but it is best to be ready if it is the case.

    Regarding the 3 yr.
     
  11. Non Ducor Duco

    Non Ducor Duco I am not led, I lead

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    Wow, that is amazing. Never heard of a 12 credit class. In my area dual enrollment is almost as hidden as ROTC scholarships. Lol, I had to keep reminding everyone what that was and where I've been every time I went up to my hs. Half the administration had no idea what it was either since there were only 2 of us doing it, I was just lucky enough to get a post card a few months before the application date last year. Kuddos to you for getting it into gear and taking advantage of such a wonderful opportunity. I'm not sure how common classes like that are in your area, but my guess is that taking a 12 credit hour Accounting class is impressive anywhere, be sure to include that in your scholarship interview because taking on something like that really shows leadership. I knew a fair amount of kids who were qualified to dual enroll but didn't because they were afraid to leave their friends or take on a larger load. Many prefer to follow since leadership is a lonely position. I'm sure the same can be said for you since I doubt most hs kids want to take a course like that. Accounting is a very important subject, it will benefit you're life and education regardless of your future choice of major. When it comes time for you to interview just remember things like that, how you've led your peers inside and outside the classroom. It's all about what examples you've set and the influence you've had on people. You don't have to have alot of formal leadership positions to be a great leader, you can lead from within the pack or even from behind.
     
  12. Jcleppe

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    Be careful, get over 30 credits and you may move yourself out of the running for a scholarship out of high school.

    I just have to ask, what college are you taking One Accounting class that counts for 12 credits.
     
  13. Tkaler

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    Firstly, I will be a non-tech major.
    I didn't think about having too many credits, thanks for that point. I'll look into it further, and I can choose not to report the AP scores for credit if need be.
    The accounting class is through a local community college. I believe that it is technically 2 classes for the CC, but is being taught at my school as 1 year long course. The 2 separate courses are worth 5 credit hours eac, and then volunteering to do taxes for low-income families adds 2 credits (40 hours of volunteering). I will be certified by the IRS to do simple and intermediate (anyone who owns a home) taxes. So I am not really sure how it will show on the transcript, as one class or two. All I am sure of is that it is being taught as one at my school, and counts for 12 credits.
    Thanks all for your feedback so far. More is greatly appreciated.
     
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  14. Tkaler

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    Also, my GPA puts me around the top 20-25% of my class. About 10% go to Ivies, MIT, Stanford, etc. About 65% will go on to 4 year, and 20% to two year. Our graduation rate is 98%.
     
  15. Pima

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    Tkaler, a non-tech major is more competitive than a Tech major because they award less scholarships.

    Using 2015 class numbers, (2016 has not been released yet). 911 scholarships were awarded out of a pool over 5000 applicants. 5% went Type 1, of that 5%, only 5% went to non-tech, basically 2 scholarships out of the entire 5000 pool.

    15% went to Type 2 4 yr. Out of that only 15% of that 15% or about 20 scholarships.

    80% went Type 7, and only 25% of that went to non-tech or about 125.

    So you can see the total of the original pool that received a non-tech anything was @3%.

    I am not trying to scare you, I am trying to make sure you take this time to have the absolute strongest package to submit to the board. As someone else stated on this board, you don't want to give them a reason not to select you.

    For those that want non-tech, but believe it is better to take a tech to get a scholarship, and than transfer to non-tech...DON'T try to game the system! If you are awarded a tech scholarship you will need approval to do this, and that chance is about the same as a non-tech getting a Type 1.
     
  16. Tkaler

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    Pima, thanks for the statistics. I do understand its more competitive than the tech, but I want to serve my country and have something I like to do in case I decide to leave the service.
    I though my chances would be a little better than some other non tech because my test scores are above average, especially for a type 7. I just need to get this physical test worked out.
    Is there any way to be exempted from one event in the PFA? I think I would be able to get through the running, but push ups aren't gonna happen right now haha.
     
  17. Jcleppe

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    If you can't do the PFA or even one section you application will not be processed.

    Take a look at PIMA's post again, she mentions a pool of 5000 applicants for 911 scholarships. There is no need for the AF to make accommodations for an applicant that can't complete the application process. Your medical issues are a big problem in that process. If your current condition prevents you from being able to take the PFA before the deadline for applications, then you will not be considered for a scholarship.

    Sorry to be blunt, and yes there are always exceptions but for this I would imagine there are very few if any.
     
  18. Tkaler

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    Ok, well hopefully I will be able to complete it before December. Assuming I can pass the PFA with a decent score, what do you guys think my chances of scholarship are?
     
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    The only answer anyone can give with any confidence is that you have a 0% chance if you don't apply. The competition for scholarships change year to year, it's impossible to guess whether a person will or will not receive a scholarship. You have good stats, but so do a majority of those that apply. The best thing you can do is apply and hope for the best. It's always a good idea to have a Plan B in place as well.
     
  20. Tkaler

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    I know you can't tell me for sure, but as I am new to this and haven't seen a lot of stats for kids who have received scholarships, I was curious how I compare to those wh have been successful in the past
     

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