Candidates who were accepted to SLS

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  1. chriscross92

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    I know on the acceptance letter for SLS, it states that you are a "leading candidate" for the selection process. Although, SLS supposdley has no bearing in the admissions process is there any statistic (if not your best estimate will do) to what percent of SLSers actualy get accepted into the academy the next year.
     
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    last year at sls they said the average is about 50% will be accepted
     
  3. kaullman

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    Percentages

    Maybe it is time to check the numbers.

    For USNA about 30% of the class of 2012 had attended NASS. That works out to about 378 of the 1800 (or so) NASS attendees or about 21%.
     
  4. Harrison Morgan

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    i think meghan is right in regards to west point sls

    according to what instructors said during the 1st session, about half of us from session 1 and 2 together would be attending the academy next year

    and although it has no bearing in itself, the fact that you were accepted means you're in very good standing, its likely that academically so far you are good to go
     
  5. goarmy

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    Not to belabor this issue- but one statistic that I have not seen published is what percentage of NASS attendees elect NOT to complete the application for USNA. In my son's situation, he attended USMA SLS and USNA NASS and after mulling over options for a couple of weeks, made the decision that he would not pursue a USNA application.

    I felt that attending both programs met our goals- to look at all the options- and make an educated decision. He decided that his goal was serving as an Army Officer- and is currently at USMA.
     
  6. kaullman

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    Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics

    I stand corrected. It is interesting that the raw numbers are so similar, 400 for SLS and 370 or so for NASS.

    The word I've received is that NASS will accept 2250 or so this year.
     
  7. Just_A_Mom

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    Don't confuse NASS with SLS. They are two different programs for two different academies. They offer different experiences, accept different numbers of applicants and have different entrance requirements.

    SLS has more selective academic entrance requirements and accepts fewer candidates than NASS. About 2250 rising seniors will attend NASS while USMA only has room for 800 for SLS (and 3000-4000 applicants).

    From what I have heard - about 50% of the SLS applicants accept appointments to West Point.

    This is not exactly true. Nearly every student accepted to SLS is Scholastically Qualified in the eyes of admissions because it is so competitive (academics, athletics, extra-curricular).
    Students who attend SLS also will have an opportunity for an interview which will be used as part of the admissions process and an opportunity to take and pass the CFA.

    It is not uncommon for highly qualified SLS students who do well at SLS find themselves with an LOA in July or August.
    IF you are a student with a serious interest in attending West Point and an invitation to SLS the benefits are all around.
     
  8. chriscross92

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    i'm a little confused. does this mean that 50 percent of SLSers who are accepted end up going to West point or does it mean that 50 percent of SLSers are accepted into WP?
     
  9. BeatNavy

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    ^^^
    The latter
     
  10. Maximus

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    I can't answer for SLS but I know about NASS as my son attended it last year. Any parents that attended the ending ceremony of NASS, were briefed on statistics for the Naval Academy and NASS attendance.
    NASS just started taking 750 candidates per session as of last year, NASS 2008, for a total of three sessions or 2,250 total attendees. The year prior, only 600 per session attended and that's where the approximate stat of roughly 50% of attendees, receive offers of Appointment to the USNA. That number would be about 900 +/- for a total number of 1600 +/- Appointments offered.

    Again I can't quote the SLS facts but, I'm sure they required PSAT, SAT or ACT scores, and if the application is anything like NASS, they use it for your preliminary application so they know your resume. That's why they call you a leading candidate. IMVHO
     
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    Question: does getting into NAP's "count" as an appointment for the sake of statistics? (kind of a dumb question)
     
  12. kaullman

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    Yes, Kinda

    The statement to our BGO class was "approximately 30% of the entering class had attended NASS." That would allow for some folks to have attended NASS in previous years, rather than within 13 mo of I-Day.

    JustaMom made a good point. SLS and NASS are programs with differing outlooks and goals. There is little to gain by comparing apples to oranges. I know that USNA is happy with the numbers, format and results of NASS and I would believe that USMA is happy with SLS as well. Both good fruit.

    I tell the potential candidates that I counsel, that NASS is an excellent opportunity to get more information about whether USNA is the right place for them. Sometimes the answer is "NO."
     
  13. Shades

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    I received a great diploma type case and beautiful Appointment from express mail today.

    Also found out the Naval Academy is bogged down due to 15k applicants
    over 4k more than last year.
    Good luck to all.
     
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    The [old] 600 candidates per class, netted the Navy about 900 candidates to offer Appointments to, or roughly half that attended the NASS program that year or in the past. The 30% of the entering class, are part of the roughly "half" attendees, that attended NASS in the past. Not all offered Appointments accept.

    I disagree that they have different goals and outlooks; while the programs might be different in size, they both screen and familiarize motivated candidates. That's the goal and mission accomplished. IMVHO
     
  15. kaullman

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    I'd Work on the Math...

    USNA has a 82% rate of those offered appointments, being there on I-Day.

    A free society allows all sorts of beliefs.

    USNA does not use NASS to screen potential candidates. It does use NASS to expand the reach of the recruiting effort to those who may not have thorough background knowledge of the Academy and the military. As the NASS site states: If you want a summer challenge, the opportunity to sample university level academics at a first-rate institution, discover whether the Naval Academy will help you achieve your goals, and get a jump start on the admissions process, then this program is for you.
     
  16. Maximus

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    The Navy gets about 82% of all candidates offered appointments there on "I" Day.

    Lets look at those numbers, (round numbers) 1500 (offers) x .82 = 1,230 there on "I" Day, OK, that's right.

    900 (half of NASS) x .82 = 730 NASS participants or approximately half that attended NASS there on "I" Day. Remember, they said approximately.

    ~If the Summer programs (NASS, SLS) aren't there for the purpose of screening applicants, why don't they just take the first 1,800 (first come, first serve) that apply? Why do they have you fill out an application if it's not a screening process?
     
  17. Just_A_Mom

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    I am going with Kauffman on this one -
    the purpose of the summer programs is not to "screen" candidates. In other words, candidates should not attend thinking they are being watched every minute, like it's a test. The "screening" is the SLS or NASS application that identifies potential candidates - this occurs whether or not they are accepted to the program.

    The purpose is marketing. It is a way to get the academies name out there and encourage high school students to consider the academy and a military career. This is why they aim for a geographical distribution. Otherwise, the Naval Academy could probably fill NASS with students from MD and VA.

    Admission to both is competitive based on criteria that admissions uses to find qualified candidates. Both schools obviously want the most qualified candidates to attend.
    Since SLS has room for far fewer candidates, they are more selective in choosing kids to accept to SLS.
    While I have heard of kids who went to NASS being offered NAPS and/or foundation scholarships, I have never heard of a SLS participant being offered USMAPS. Not saying it doesn't happen but the quality of the resume of a SLS participant is usually up around the LOA level.
    This is why rejection from SLS should NOT prevent one from continuting their West Point application.

    While the primary purpose of the summer programs is marketing - there is a clear benefit to attendees and even applicants in the application process. The initial questionairre has been reviewed and they have an opportunity to be tested and qualify on the CFA. I am not sure if NASS interviews but they have to do the CGO interview anyway, so I don't think it matters. At SLS there is an opportunity for an interview in which the candidate can show admissions their goals and desire for admission. Receipt of the 6th semester transcript in the summer can allow West Point to offer a number of LOA's earlier than Navy and AF.

    Even if an applicant isn't chosen for SLS it does put them on the admissions radar early and allow communications from admissions encouraging a timely completion of the application.
     
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  18. kaullman

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    Look at the Numbers

    Thanks Just-A-Mom.

    Huh??

    Thirty percent of the incoming class had attended NASS. That is approx 380 not 730. Maybe there are some for whom that is an approximation

    USNA screens the applicants into NASS looking for a high degree of quality and geographically diverse participants for that program, which then in turn serves the mission of the academy. It helps to identify folks for the next year's class, yes, as does anything which helps potential candidates have a reasoned view of the academy and military life.
     
  19. Maximus

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    I agree with most of your comments JAM...as usual :thumb: and as I said, I can't comment on SLS, as I've never researched it. You have also convinced me that SLS is probably more selective in their application process than NASS. You are an asset here with a wealth of knowledge on topics most of us parents aren't exposed to, and I thank you for that and your help. This site has helped my son immensely in his quest to become an officer from a SA :thumb: and when you look at the information given out there, it's great to have real people/parents like you to help understand this process.

    On the other issue, I can discuss what I've personally researched and what I was told at a seminar for parents/candidates at the Naval Academy during NASS 2008, Session 1, ending Ceremony. A very informative Commander gave a speech to the candidates and parents in attendance; he also gave statistics, he told us that roughly half of those candidates in attendance, would be offered Appointments. Can I vouch for that info? Nope, just what I was told by someone from admissions, and if anything this process has taught me, you must research, research and research. I've had conflicting information more than once from representative in all Branches and Academy's. Again, it's why this site is so valuable!

    One last thought here for me, as I think this thread had made it's point and you mentioned this issue, I agree 100% that the candidates at NASS are not watched or graded by the Cadre at all times but, the candidates were definitely given CFA's there by the Cadre. Fail that and you're not a leading candidate anymore.
     
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  20. GMRobertson

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    SLS leading to admissions

    SLS will help you gain admission. Especially if you come fit and are able to do a credible CFA. It is a given you are a scholar as that is how you got admitted to SLS. Be aware you are being evaluated while attending. But also you are evaluating USMA.

    But if you didnt go to SLS or were declined admission to SLS - dont worry it will not be a major factor in your admission.
     

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