CFA Practice Test

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  1. bearhunter66

    bearhunter66 Member

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    Here is where DS is as of today. He takes test next week.

    Pushups: 77
    Situps: 66
    Mile: 7min 10 sec
    BBall: 71 ft
    Pullups: 10
    Shuttle: 9.8 (he did clock one 9.5 but we could not repeat it)

    Any insights if these will make the grade? He can beat the average in 4 of the 6 but the running and shuttle are not his best events.
     
  2. kpdad2015

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    Those look similar (if not slightly better) than what my son submitted for the class of 2015 and it worked for him.
     
  3. bearhunter66

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    Figured I would provide an update. He took test Wednesday with following results:

    BBall: 77 feet
    Pull Ups: 13
    Shuttle: 9.2 seconds
    Sit Ups 70
    Pushups 65
    1 Mile Run: 6 min 58 sec

    Mixed bag relative to the published averages...

    I assume these will "pass"?
     
  4. tankercaptain

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    This is a quote from CDR De Rosa USMS with regards to the CFA at Kings Point.

    "We do not list the minimum or maximum scores required for the six (6) events that comprise the CFA. We do this purposely, so that candidates will strive for the best times (and not just shoot for the minimums) and also to avoid instances of candidates entering false scores just to appear to pass."

    CDR De Rosa USMS is assistant director of admissions at Kings Point
     
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  5. bearhunter66

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    It is a rainy Saturday and wife is refereeing a soccer game, so I opened up an excel file and did some math.

    The downloadable CFA Instructions have two tables. The following are the Male Scores:

    Table 1 (Max Performance Scores):
    BB Throw: 102 feet
    Pull-Ups: 18
    Shuttle: 7.8 sec
    Mod. Sit-Ups: 95
    Push-Ups: 75
    1-Mile Run: 5:20

    Table 2 (Average Performance Scores):
    BB Throw: 67 feet
    Pull-Ups: 9
    Shuttle: 9.1 sec
    Mod. Sit-Ups: 72
    Push-Ups: 54
    1-Mile Run: 6:43

    So, as I look at the info that is available, I see my DS as follows:

    BB Throw: 77 (15% better than the average)
    Pull-Ups: 13 (44% better than the average)
    Shuttle: 9.2 sec (1.1% worse than the average)
    Mod. Sit-Ups: 70 (2.8% worse than the average)
    Push-Ups: 65 (20.4% better than the average)
    1-Mile Run: 6:58 (3.7% worse than the average)

    We will find out soon enough but is it a safe assumption that an overall "Average Performance Score" is a Pass?

    Stated differently, if "below average" won't get you in, then by definition, Average would be = to the Minimum and we all know that the Minimum scores are a closely held secret (although I understand Edward Snowden may have them).

    As I look at my DS's results, just eyeballing it would suggest that he is marginally above average (which feels about right in terms of his athletic ability but doesn't feel right to actually put to a writing). I am figuring that he is a pass based on the compelling logic noted above.

    On a more serious note, my sense is that the Academy has a minimum combined scale score ("your score is a combination of your best efforts in each event") and you either hit it or you don't. There may also be a "fail safe" that you must hit the secret minimum in every category so you don't have someone who maxes 5 events and hits the combined score but gets a 0 in event #6. They could also have some type of weighting ("events are sequenced to produce a cumulative loading effect....This has been considered in the development of the scoring standards....").

    Scores were mailed Friday. We'll check that App status every few days and see what happens...
     
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  6. BillSL

    BillSL USMA Class of 2016

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    When I was a candidate, I was told to treat the "Average Performance Score" as the minimums. Good tip... you never want to just to the "minimum." Also, an "overall" score does not guarantee a pass or fail - if you fail one event, you fail the whole thing.

    That being said, I believe he will pass with those scores... but should still strive for better ones if he can.
     
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    BillSL USMA Class of 2016

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    ^Disregard, I didn't realize this was the USMMA forum. My bad, info might be inaccurate for USMMA.
     
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  9. bearhunter66

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    Application status updated today. CFA now indicates "Pass".
     
  10. 17TexasMom

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    Congratulations

    Congratulations, now make sure your DS/DD takes the ACT or SAT as many times as they can - each time they will score better and keep that GPA up as well. Good luck!:thumb:
     
  11. bearhunter66

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    2x on ACT and 3x on SAT already. Final shot for both happens in October.

    Currently has 700+ on the Reading; praying he breaks the 700 mark on Math.

    I posted earlier about the challenge with his GPA. I believe he and I have reached an agreement regarding his mode of transportation as a senior being directly related to the grades he puts on his 7th semester report card.

    We will see...
     
  12. Scooter11

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    Is the CFA more than just a pass/fail event? I realize how it is scored, but in the end do the academies only care if you pass it or not, instead of "how much" you passed it by?
     
  13. bearhunter66

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    I am going to give you my opinion FWIW.

    My understanding is that you must receive a certain minimum score on the CFA to be considered for an appointment. In that sense, it is pass/fail.

    That said, I sense (which is very different from knowing for sure) that a higher CFA score for 2 otherwise equal candidates may be the difference between receiving an appointment or not. In other words, it is better for the candidate to dig deep and put the effort in for the highest score possible.

    My DS and I spoke about this many times. His objective was to do the best he could and strive to exceed the average scores in each category. On some of the tests, he easily did so. On others, he was just below the average. The end result was a "pass" and he told me that he did his best.

    Our thinking was that if the Average Scores represent the caliber of applicants to a US military academy (which is pretty selective in and of itself ), then beating the average means you are in good shape (pun intended).
     

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