CFA score

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  1. NamD

    NamD Candidate

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    Hello community,
    I just wanted some feedback on 'yay' or 'nay' if i should retake the CFA or not. im not "at risk" but i still feel like i am close to being at risk:

    pullups: 13
    pushup: 70
    situps: 74
    bball throw: 73 ft
    shuttle run: 8.5
    mile run: 6:40

    My CFA was taken at USMA SLS and it was all performed on a turf field..so i feel as if my shuttle run was affected a bit. The mile run was performed on sort of a inclining trail..so i feel that may have affected my time as well.

    Thanks!
     
  2. BigBear

    BigBear Class of 2015

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    It can't hurt to retake it, but these scores are nothing to worry about
     
  3. SaltLife

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    Like people have previously said, you passed a pass/fail test
     
  4. abeastlybeast

    abeastlybeast USMA Class of 2015

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    Your scores are very good. You are not "at risk." lol
     
  5. BillSL

    BillSL USMA Class of 2016

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    Haha. During SLS, my 1st shuttle run attempt was 9.02.

    On my 2nd attempt, I slid at every turn... Got a 9.06.

    WHY DID I SLIDE! XD


    (For reference: I'm at no risk with 14 pullups, 60 pushups, 80 situps, 73ft BB throw and 6:51 mile run).
     
  6. Jayhawk2325

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    69 ft bball throw
    10 pullups
    8.2 second shuttle run
    95 sit-ups
    71 pushups
    7:27 mile

    Is this a pass?
     
  7. BillSL

    BillSL USMA Class of 2016

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    You are fine on every matter, but I am not sure about the mile run.

    You SHOULD be okay... I don't think 30 seconds between your score and average is THAT big of a deal.
     
  8. Jayhawk2325

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    I saw somebody that got 7:59 and was deemed "no risk," so technically I should be okay, but I just want to make sure that this is not going to keep me from getting an appointment haha
     
  9. BillSL

    BillSL USMA Class of 2016

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    Are you sure there wasn't an asterisk* on the mile-run? (You took it at SLS, right?)
     
  10. Jayhawk2325

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    Yeah I took it at SLS, didnt do very well, then just took it at NASS yesterday and got these scores.
     
  11. abeastlybeast

    abeastlybeast USMA Class of 2015

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    I think the maximum mile time is 8:02 because my friend said he made the cut-off by 7 seconds when he ran a mile in 7:55 at SLS last year.
     
  12. hawk

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    The real question is: "Is this the best I can do?"

    IE: can you realistically do better with more practice/training?

    Unless your situps & pushups are max or near max, I'd keep working. And the majority of the others well above average. And none below average.

    The second question to ask yourself is if you are are ready to give up points that could make or break your application...

    All this assumes are are not competitive (and desirable) for another reason. My suspicion is that if you have a major record as star HS varsity athlete, etc, you probably can get by with a just passing CFA if your other areas are strong.

    If your main hook is academics and non-athletic EC's, then I'd sure be making that CFA look strong.
     
  13. GoArmyBeatNavy

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    From my understanding, the CFA is 10% of the Candidate Evaluation. Based on that, I do not think it is a Pass/Fail test. If it was, they wouldn't be using it as part of the evaluation percentage. Score as high as you feel you can after preparing for the test.:thumb:
     
  14. BillSL

    BillSL USMA Class of 2016

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    They say it is not a pass/fail. But the Internet (lol) says otherwise. Evidently, I'm inclined to believe the cadets and Officers at USMA (for obvious reasons) but, if you are "At Risk" (for reference: at SLS, you get a "Risk" or "No Risk" comment, depending on your CFA performance), I would definitely take it again.
     
  15. hawk

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    This is really not that hard.

    An "At Risk" assessment will negatively impact you, and likely keep you from being offered an appointment unless recruited for other reasons. And even if you plan to address later, it can keep you out of some of the LOA consideration (Based on past input from admissions types at info sessions).

    If you are "Not at risk" it's less clear. That's where the CFA contribution to your overall score comes into play.

    You can't improve your gpa that much in the time you have left, SAT's are hard to improve more than 100-150 points (typically). EC's normally have to demonstrate long term commitment. So the CFA is your best shot along with SAT's to improve your score. That and any interviews, etc.

    Feedback to the parents clubs recently was that there was a 14% increase in applicants this year. And it's up 30% over the previous year. Every indication is that 2016 will be more competitive yet. Average SAT's for GA applicants to USMA was over 1300 (math+reading) this year, and it will get tougher.

    So if you are serious about competing for a slot, you need to look hard at your CFA and decide if you can improve it further to fight for every point you can get. Especially if you did not max situps & pushups and had a decent (well above average) mile time.

    Even if you do not improve it, just the training will payoff in readiness if you are appointed.
     
  16. BillSL

    BillSL USMA Class of 2016

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    Unless I got what you are saying wrongly, we are just reinstating the same POV.
     
  17. dunninla

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    *everything* matters. Fight for every point.
     
  18. BigBear

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    The other thing to consider is that the CFA is not worth that much compared to other items in your Whole Candidate Score. Don't hold off on submitting it just to improve by 5 pushups or 1 pull up if you have done enough to pass
     
  19. MemberLG

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    CFA is a pass and fail in a sense that you don't pass all events, you are physically disqualified.
     
  20. MemberLG

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    First, see my previous post as it is a pass/fail test as if you don't pass one event, you fail the whole test (i.e. max every event, but failed to do enough pull ups).

    Second, the unknown is how passing CFA result translated into that 10%. Two possibility - as long as you pass every event, you get full 10% or if you max it you get 100% of 10% and so on.

    So the only way CFA will be significant in WCS is if passing/minimum score only gives you 1% out of 10% WCS and maximum scores will give you 100% of 10% of WCS.
     

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