CGA opposes changes to admissions system

Federal Grant money

This sounds like a data based agrument for the NAACPto get a BIG Federal Grant to work on this problem.
 
jasperdog said:
Also Luigi - you choice to focus on Rangel and Velazquez numbers is interesting and while I agree with you, it does fail to acknowledge the other 38 members of the Congressional Black Caucus and their numbers.
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If you have the nominations data for those other members, post it.

The news story specifically states that "Lawmakers from heavily minority areas rank at or near the bottom in the number of students they have nominated for appointment to West Point, the U.S. Naval Academy or the U.S. Air Force Academy. In fact, when it comes to MOC nominations, the bottom 20 House members were all from districts where whites make up less than a majority."

Congressman Cummings is NOT one of them, he is one of the best when it comes to nominations. His office is very pro-active, and he practices what he preaches.

However, as he says, it is up to students to seek a nomination, just as they are responsible for taking the right math and science courses, participating in extracurricular activities and keeping in shape.
 
USNA1982BGO said:
You can talk diversity till you're blue in the face.
Reality check is to walk into any normal high school and check out who is taking the higher level math, science and english classes (it's the kids on this board).
In many parts of the country females are the majority, males the minority and even fewer 'minorities,' in classes like AP English, History, Math and Science.
Problem today is to get ANY high school student motivated to both serve in the military and take the tough courses, many just want to skate through high school.
The motivating factor for any child to seek success is ultimately family, friends and mentors. Period. IMHO the nomination process only serves as another group making face to face contact with a candidate.
This board reflects those who desire to succeed and serve. :thumb:
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I AGREE 150%

... we actually discussed something similar at Thanskgiving dinner.. my nephew was telling us that boys are set up for failure, while my niece (his sister) was insisting that most boys do not take the tough classes and they choose to skate thru the high school years.. she told us that the numbers of females in the tougher classes are more then the boys.. my daughter jumped in and agreed that most of her fellow male classmates were lazy.. and that it was mostly girls that were the over achievers..
 
Papp says admissions process not hindering diversity at CGA
By Jennifer Grogan

Publication: The Day
Published 03/19/2010 12:00 AM

Vice Adm. Robert J. Papp Jr. told a Senate committee Thursday that the student body at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy needs to be more diverse, but changing the school's admissions process is not the way to do it.

Papp was asked about the academy by the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation during his nomination hearing to be the next commandant of the Coast Guard. He was also asked to comment on proposed cuts to the Coast Guard's budget, shipbuilding and acquisition reform as well as more provincial topics affecting senators' home states.

The competitive admissions process has brought "good candidates into our academy for many, many years with the absence of congressional appointments," Papp said, but "we have had difficulty moving the needle on increasing our diversity at the Coast Guard Academy."

The other military service academies admit students by congressional nomination while the Coast Guard Academy has traditionally admitted students on the basis of academic merit, like civilian colleges and universities. Members of Congress have proposed bringing the process in line with the other service academies.

"We appreciate the support and the oversight," Papp said. "I think we need to do the work on our side to get out into those communities where we can get those diverse candidates, so we can drop down any barriers for entry to the Coast Guard Academy and increase the diversity of our service."

The current senior class at the academy is 23 percent female and 19 percent minority, followed by the junior class at 30 percent female and 16.4 percent minority, the sophomore class at 28.5 percent female and 12 percent minority and the freshman class at 29 percent female and 15.6 percent minority....

(Read the rest of the article HERE)
 
"We appreciate the support and the oversight," Papp said. "I think we need to do the work on our side to get out into those communities where we can get those diverse candidates, so we can drop down any barriers for entry to the Coast Guard Academy and increase the diversity of our service."
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When will this commence? I thought they were already doing this.
 
Luigi59 said:
Papp says admissions process not hindering diversity at CGA
By Jennifer Grogan

Publication: The Day
Published 03/19/2010 12:00 AM

Vice Adm. Robert J. Papp Jr. told a Senate committee Thursday that the student body at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy needs to be more diverse, but changing the school's admissions process is not the way to do it.

Papp was asked about the academy by the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation during his nomination hearing to be the next commandant of the Coast Guard. He was also asked to comment on proposed cuts to the Coast Guard's budget, shipbuilding and acquisition reform as well as more provincial topics affecting senators' home states.

The competitive admissions process has brought "good candidates into our academy for many, many years with the absence of congressional appointments," Papp said, but "we have had difficulty moving the needle on increasing our diversity at the Coast Guard Academy."

The other military service academies admit students by congressional nomination while the Coast Guard Academy has traditionally admitted students on the basis of academic merit, like civilian colleges and universities. Members of Congress have proposed bringing the process in line with the other service academies.

"We appreciate the support and the oversight," Papp said. "I think we need to do the work on our side to get out into those communities where we can get those diverse candidates, so we can drop down any barriers for entry to the Coast Guard Academy and increase the diversity of our service."

The current senior class at the academy is 23 percent female and 19 percent minority, followed by the junior class at 30 percent female and 16.4 percent minority, the sophomore class at 28.5 percent female and 12 percent minority and the freshman class at 29 percent female and 15.6 percent minority....

(Read the rest of the article HERE)
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They are recruiting all right, try jet travel, two night hotel stay, and a flight back. It was a nice tour as well. "a night living with the plebe was fun as well". Problem with USCGA is that very little know about the branches mission....that's why recruiting is not pleasing. Apparently West Point and Coast Guard are bent on making sure it happens.
 
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I don't like this either. However, I don't like the fact that young men and women can go to an SA. Then after two years, if they don't like it, just basically just can walk away, no commitment, no nothing. As a taxpayer, we should get something in return. Like paying the money back or enlisting after two years, instead of walking away. I will be in touch my congressional delegation.

RGK
 
rkrosnar said:
I don't like this either. However, I don't like the fact that young men and women can go to an SA. Then after two years, if they don't like it, just basically just can walk away, no commitment, no nothing. As a taxpayer, we should get something in return. Like paying the money back or enlisting after two years, instead of walking away. I will be in touch my congressional delegation.

RGK
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That's true for each academy, has nothing to do with congressional nominations...
 
I saw numerous references to a class size of 265 for the class of 2014. I thought I saw a thread earlier this year on the forum that said CG authorized an increase to 290. Can I receive some clarification on this?

Thanks,

Andrew
 
There is a finite number of racks (beds) in Chase Hall. While a certain number may be approved, it does not mean the rack space will be there. There are a number of other factors, I'm sure someone from admissions can speak to.
 
LineInTheSand said:
There is a finite number of racks (beds) in Chase Hall. While a certain number may be approved, it does not mean the rack space will be there. There are a number of other factors, I'm sure someone from admissions can speak to.
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290 entered last year (2013), 295 the year before that (2012).

Admissions wouldn't have asked for 290 if they couldn't house them.
 
Luigi59 said:
Papp says admissions process not hindering diversity at CGA
By Jennifer Grogan

Publication: The Day
Published 03/19/2010 12:00 AM

Vice Adm. Robert J. Papp Jr. told a Senate committee Thursday that the student body at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy needs to be more diverse, but changing the school's admissions process is not the way to do it.

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Diversity at the Coast Guard Academy is likely to be significantly increased in the incoming Class of 2014.

According to current data, approximately 16 percent of the appointments offered to the Class of 2013 went to minority students and the incoming class was similarly comprised of approximately 15 percent minority students.

As of April 19th 2010, 23 percent of those offered admission to the Academy’s Class of 2014 were minorities, and approximately 25 percent of those who had accepted admission offers were minorities.

:cool:
 
USNA1982BGO said:
307 entered with the Class of 2009
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huh...I vaguely recall the number 295 from the parents presentation on R-Day. Of course that day is a bit of a blur, so I could be off. I do know a couple left before lunch, so maybe with a few no-shows it came down to 295 by the time we attended the "don't worry we are going to take great care of your kid" session.
 
^^^
This was the graduating Class of 2009 that reported in back in 2005. 307 accepted appointments, except I do seem to remember that one didn't show up or left before being sworn in and they lost quite a few during Swab Summer.
 
USNA1982BGO said:
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This was the graduating Class of 2009 that reported in back in 2005. 307 accepted appointments, except I do seem to remember that one didn't show up or left before being sworn in and they lost quite a few during Swab Summer.
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oops...not enough caffeine before reading your post. :redface:
 
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