Chances of receiving 4 year rotc scholarship?

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  1. Chad140692

    Chad140692 New Member

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    Hello! I am new to the forum and am looking for and information regarding receiving a scholarship for army rotc. I am a senior in high school with a 21 on my act and I have 3.1 gpa. I am also the captain of my varsity ice hockey team. I also have two part time jobs and have attended leadership summer camps. What are my chances at getting a scholarship? Thank you for your help!
    - Chad
     
  2. kinnem

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    1. You have absolutely no chance unless you apply.
    2. Your academics (ACT and GPA) look pretty low and you would need to far exceed expectations, at the very least, in other areas of your application.
    3. Schools you list could play a factor in whether or not you get a scholarship. Read through other threads on the forum about school selection to see why.
    4. There may still be time to bring your ACT scores up. Also try the SAT as some folks do better on that. These steps could make the biggest difference to your application.
    5. If you're going to apply, get on it. It's getting late to apply, not too late, but late.
     
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    Thank you!
     
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    What other options do i have? Can i attend rotc not on scholarship? If so what is the benefit of doing so?
     
  5. mfleisher1

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    Non-scholarship

    Yes, you can attend ROTC regardless of scholarship. In fact, the vast majority of Freshmen and Sophomores are not on scholarship. The way to do that is simply to enroll in the ROTC courses at your college/university. If you would like to earn an on-campus scholarship, then you should get involved in every way possible. This means always being at PT in the mornings, showing your face to the cadre often, and doing what you're supposed to do in class. You should contact the ROTC Cadre at your top choice schools and talk to them personally about what you should do- whether or not you get the scholarship.
     
  6. Strength and Honor

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    I think it's a long shot, but I'm sure it's been done before. If you don't get one, your best best is to go as a college programmer and work your butt off to get a 3 or 2-year scholarship.
     
  7. Chad140692

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    Awesome thank you for your time and help
     
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    1. Attend a college with the ROTC program of your choice: Army ROTC, Air Force ROTC, and my personal favorite Navy ROTC.
    2. Prior to enrolling in classes be in contact with the cadre at the college to confirm the courses in which you need to enroll. This will also begin the process of them getting you information on any ROTC Freshman Orientation etc. at the start of the semester.
    3. As others said... work you butt off. Volunteer. Ace the PT tests. Do well in class. Exhibit quiet confidence. Study hard and do well academically. It works. That's how my son got an in school NROTC scholarship.

    Still suggest you give the scholarship application a shot. Even if you don't get it, it will aid you in focusing your thoughts on this topic and probably help in other scholarship applications. Make being a college programmer your backup plan.

    Good luck! :thumb:
     
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    Thank you for all of your answers! I really appreciate it!
     
  10. clarksonarmy

    clarksonarmy Recruiting Operations Officer at Clarkson Army

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    clarkson,

    My question is 21 is a very low ACT IMPO, would clarkson recruit an athlete at that ACT score level?
    ~~~ Then again I live in VA, and IS public universities typically have the median of 28 ACT, so throw that opinion in the circular filing cabinet.

    FWIW, I get athletic recruitment and how they may give a pass/slide regarding academics, BUT I also feel that kids in ROTC and playing a sport as a recruit, while attending a reach school can hurt them more if academically they are behind the 8 ball on the 1st day of classes.

    Clarification. The reason I say 21 is very low is because, at least for the AFA and AFROTC. 24 E is considered non-competitive, iow it would be unlikely to even meet the board. A 21 is comparative to 980-1010 SAT out of 1600.

    I am sorry if I am being Debbie Downer. Just saying that many cadets will tell you that as you progress you will spend more hrs doing ROTC work because you will get leadership positions. You could be doing 20+ hrs a week as an AROTC cadet, plus recruited athlete hrs of 20-30 (practice and games), plus academics. It is a lot of juggling. Basically 60 hrs a week regarding some form of work.
    ~~~ Investigate how this will impact your OML and your Army selection.

    I agree with others APPLY. You have 0% chance of a scholarship if you don't apply.

    I just would say your list should be safeties, matches and reaches because for AROTC the ROTC scholarship is tied to you and the ROTC unit. Get selected to a university that is a reach because you are a recruited athlete will have an impact. I believe you need to carry a 2.5 cgpa.
    ~~~ It is not uncommon for freshmen to see their grades drop, and it is common to see them drop if they are attending a reach school.
     
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    I must say, and no shameless plug intended, that Clarkson raises a good point. Any hockey payer should consider the school as they live and breath hockey in the North Country. I went to college across town (many many years ago) and know from experience both that, and that Clarkson is a great college. And Potsdam is just a beautiful place. I miss the Saturday night runs to Montreal for coffee.
     
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    clarksonarmy Recruiting Operations Officer at Clarkson Army

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    I'm pretty sure this kid won't be playing for Clarkson, but if he's a decent player there is club hockey at all the schools and I'd love to trot him out against Air Force with the rest of my ringers for the Annual Army vs Air Force hockey game. If he is a recruited D1 athlete coming to the North Country to play hockey he is 21-23, probably Canadian, and has played prep or juniors for a couple years. Captain of his high school team means he might make the cross town D3 team or be a decent club player. rest assured I'm tracking the demands of our studet/athlete/cadets. Spent the weekend watching my SUNY Potsdam women's hockey player on Saturday, reffing some 16u girls games, and capped off Sunday night making a recruiting pitch to the Freshmen varsity athletes at Clarkson following the PMSs leadership seminar that we are providing to the athletics department at Clarkson.
     
  14. goaliedad

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    Looking at his stats and the level of hockey played, perhaps playing at SUNY Potsdam might be a better option for both admissions and varsity hockey???
     
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    clarkson,

    I get your point, and I am 1000% with it.

    My point was from a different perspective.
    Shameless plug or not, aren't you giving a hope to the poster? Is his ACT 21 3.1 cgpa enough for acceptance and a scholarship, be it ROTC or hockey?
     
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    Excellent point and it's only a 15 - 20 min. WALK to the Clarkson campus. No commuting difficulties here.
     
  17. Vista123

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    Hate to be a downer here, just to keep it "hockey real" (with extremely rare exception) a high school hockey player is not looking at a hockey college scholarship or even making a team (beyond a club team).

    Playing varsity high school hockey is not the same as playing varsity football or baseball. (Except perhaps in Minnesota)

    When giving this young man advice I would keep hockey out if it. Look at a D3 men's team these days, less than very few will come from highschool hockey.

    Vista
    (Hockey mom times three.)
     
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  18. goaliedad

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    You are correct about Minnesota (and maybe some areas of Northern/Western Wisconsin that play across the border - seen a few of them show up on D3 rosters before). being about the only place where one can develop the skill level to play D3 on a HS roster. Just not the depth of talent on most HS teams. Kid was captain on his team, though. Just don't know where. I was looking at his academic stats when I made the comment about Potsdam more than the hockey. His test scores and GPA look a better match for Potsdam than Clarkson.
     
  19. Infantry_Dad

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    If in a High School program D3 NCAA is out of the question in most cases. Heck, even ACHA D1 Club programs are looking/"recruiting " a vast majority of their players from the ranks of lower tiered US Junior Hockey NA3HL etc... Most true straight from High School to college players are being relugated to ACHA D2 and D3 Club teams now.
     
  20. Vista123

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    So true both infantry dad and goalie dad. Even if you pull up the usna hockey team ACHA div1 roster there are very few straight from high school players.

    Personally I think some of it is a racket to bilk naive parents into paying for the dream. If you have to pay $ past u18 then get a new dream....but that's for another thread...

    Either way good luck to the original poster.


    Vista
    Mother of a goalie, defensemen and defensewoman
     
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