Changing Account name for Army ROTC

Discussion in 'ROTC' started by Exar Ganis, Nov 30, 2007.

  1. Exar Ganis

    Exar Ganis Member

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    Guys, I'm kinda worried about something. I didn't make this mistake for Air Force ROTC and Navy ROTC, but I made a big mistake for army. When i made my account several months back, I accidentally registered with my account that I am using to deal with service academies and my nominating authorities. I registered as academy_hopeful@hotmail.com. When I realized this, i wasn't overly bothered because I thought it was an email I could change like on most sites, but Army uses your email as your account name, which is what the PMS sees. My dad was in the states, and happened to talk to the PMS of the school, and talked about how they don't like Academy applicants because they spend too much time on people with ROTC scholarships. I need to find a way to switch my account name. I sent my POC an email about this. I don't think there is a way to switch my account name/account email.

    The only other choice I see if my POC can't make the changes is if I made a new account. This will not be a problem, but I have to make sure that my supplemental stuff including transcripts and scores are registered with my new account..

    Any ideas about this guys? I know I know... I always have something that gets my screwed all the time. :frown:
     
  2. USNA69

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    Don't worry about it. Worry about something over which you have control, your SATs. If if they don't "like" it, regardless, it is a fact of life. USNA almost "requires" a ROTC backup plan. The army would be short sighted if they weren't the same. I very highly doubt that they would penalize prospect who they knew wanted to attend a SA.
     
  3. Exar Ganis

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    I see... This is a part of the email he sent me:


    The PMS here has already made one round of selections. So he advised that you get everything, including the SATs in to them very soon. One important point - they don't like to hear that the ROTC is a "fall back" for not getting into West Point...they don't want to waste ROTC scholarship selections for someone who's primary goal is the USMA, and if they get selected for the Academy then it took time and effort away from another ROTC applicant. Not a very realistic approach, since of course ROTC is a fall back, but just wanted to let you know so you don't state that in anything you send. LTC Rodney also mentioned the interviews....the PMS usually does them in person or sometimes by phone. I told him that you could call for the interview but that as I understood it your JROTC commander was coordinating these locally, and that you were due to be interviewed by another officer on Yongsan (told him I was tapped to also conduct an interview of a prospective candidate when I returned).

    I know that a backup plan is always required, but I think one should never have anything that alludes to the fact you are more interested in an SA. Clearly my email address shows that I'm overly interested.
     
  4. USNA69

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    If you had already made up your mind, why did you post the question?

    I am sure that it will come up in your interview. Are you going to be honest or are you going to conform to your above quote?

    I will stick with my original advice.

    A "I just want to be commissioned and of course I want a SA but if that is not possible, ROTC is it for me" comment should suffice (and be true).

    It actually bothers me that a ROTC instructor would make such an implication. Does he want candidates to lie or does he want to simply settle for second best? The Navy is in final planning to combine the ROTC and USNA into one single application.
     
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  5. Just_A_Mom

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    I agree with USNA69 - very unprofessional.....

    when my daughter was offered her AROTC scholarhip at her interview - she was very upfront and told the PMS she probably could not accept it right away since she was applying to USMA. He told her not to worry go ahead and accept - he had lost other scholarship winners to USMA and even ROTC cadets. He was very supportive - but then he was an USMA grad!!

    Now, when we visited the school in April and met with the Enrollment officer - he clearly didn't want her accepting a prep program and USMA - tried to talk her out of it. Said ROTC was just as good etc.....he went OCS.
    He was not happy when she chose MMI.

    Now from the ROTC point of view - they are basically recruiters and trying to fill a ROTC position. Army ROTC is low on numbers - the time and effort they put into you could be put into another ROTC candidate. This doesn't make their attitude correct. When it is difficult to find enough qualified candidates for ROTC then I can understand their frustration. Just so you know where he is coming from.

    I still think it is best to be open and honest. Frankly - last year they extended the scholarship deadline and had plenty of money for scholarships.
    My GUT feeling is that if you didn't get into USMA and then needed a ROTC scholarship, was qualified and fit the scholar, athlete, leader model then you will get one.

    Don't worry about your email address. If they ask - be honest. Tell them as soon as you hear anything from USMA you will let them know.
     
  6. Exar Ganis

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    USNA69, you know what the irony is? The PMS was a graduate from USMA. I cut that part out since it was surrounded with irrelevant Dad-son convo.


    I called Fort Monroe and they told me that there is a way to change it, and that they'd take care of it for me. NOW, I won't have to lie because they won't question me in the first place.
     
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  7. Soylent

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    So you would have lied in the first place? God forbid you're tested and do what is right.
     
  8. Pima

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    I agree wiith Soylent, an officer is an officer, you are to have a moral fortitude that cannot be broken.

    You have stated that you are a dependent, may I ask if your active duty parent would agree with you openly lying?
     
  9. Just_A_Mom

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    Seriously, Exar Ganis - I used to think you were just frustrated, then I thought it was immaturity - but know I really wonder if you have what it takes.

    I wonder if you can live up to the Honor Code at West Point - Do you know what that is?
    I wonder if you can even be a good officer at all.

    No one has to go into West Point or ROTC perfect but you need to have what it take to be developed into a good officer. I am not seeing that with you.
    Maybe you need to take a good long look in the mirror and ask yourself why you are doing this?
     
  10. Exar Ganis

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    Calm down guys. I didn't mean it that way. I was just saying that the opportunity won't ever come up, nothing more.

    Soylent, don't question my morality. You know absolutely nothing about what goes on behind closed doors within the senior ranks of the United States Army like I do.
     
  11. Just_A_Mom

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    Exar Ganis -

    Don't make me go back an remind you of all the excuses and whining comments you have come up with over the past few months.
    While it is true that tone is difficult to convey in a forum like this - I suggest you try harder to do just that.
    If you are going to bring the hammer down on Soylent then you better bring it down and Pima and me as well.

    Explain this comment:
    Sounds like you are throwing your (soon to be General) Dad's weight around. Once you get to West Point or ROTC no one is going to care if your Dad is a General or not. In fact, I suggest that you don't broadcast it.

    How do you know that? Go back and read your Dad's email - the subject ALREADY came up! Seriously, do you think the PMS brought it up out of the blue? Sounds like your Dad already told him you were applying to a SA.

    Not only that - what are you going to say in the interview if the PMS asks you what other college you are applying to? Are you going to be truthful? hedge? lie?

    Again, you are taking a minor situation and blowing it out of proportion. If you are lining up your excuses as to why you didn't get an Appointment or Scholarship - you are doing a pretty good job of it.
    What excuse are you going to use if you get into an Academy or get that ROTC scholarship and you get run out because of your attitude or lack of honor?

    If you (or anyone else) thinks I am coming down hard on you - I am. We have been back and forth for a while and I think you need to seriously question if you want to be an officer in the Army.
    If you are doing this to appease your father - then just don't do it. I will support any candidate who changes his/her mind to go do what they want.
    Now go take a good look in the mirror.
     
  12. Exar Ganis

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    Mom, I try to be as respectful as I can to individuals here, so let me say this as best as possible. Sometimes we have to lie alittle bit to save us trouble. If it doesn't hurt any party then it should be fine. If I'm talking to an Air Force Officer during an interview, I will throw up a blue flag and let him know how interested I am in. He asked me in person whether I was interested in Army or Air Force ROTC more, and of course I said Air Force. I wasn't going to kill my chances. Do you think this tactic is coming from me, and me alone? Because its not. I bet about 90 percent or more of ROTC applicants did the same thing as I did. Every CADET in my school did that because they were instructed to do that. Who in their mind would say... "Of course Air Force isn't. Army is."
    Let's see how that works out with cadet command. Its all about strategy. It isn't the PMS's business what school you are prioritizing over the other. That is my business alone, and its going to be kept that way. It's all about varying your chances to see how far you can get by being noncommittal. Every Army Officer knows that because they speak to more than one boss. There is a chain of command that sometimes interlocks in very strange ways. You may have to appease a few times and be persuasive (as long as it is not extreme).

    Seriously, who is going to say .. "Air Force ROTC,.. or AROTC is my fall back" Good luck with getting your backup schools because chances are.. YOU WON'T GET IT! unless you are seriously walking on water like there's no tomorrow. ALSO, PMS can do what they want. They can give a scholarship who is commited to ROTC that has a 2.6, and skip a 4.0 student who desire to attend an SA anyway. They're are no strings. They are their own bosses. ALSO, PMS can see all the other schools you are applying to via online scholarship account.

    -XR
     
  13. Just_A_Mom

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    Lets start with this sentence - No you don't have to "lie a little bit to save us trouble".

    It doesn't matter if either party is hurt or not. The fact is a lie is a lie and it is about your honor not whether or not you are hurting the other party.

    I don't have anything to say about the rest that hasn't already been said.
     
  14. Exar Ganis

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    Same thing. I applied one situation to another.
     
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  15. Pima

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    Exar,
    JAM is right bring it down me too. I called you out just as much as soylent. I don't know Soylent's background, but obviously JAM and I are both parents.
    Here is mine AFAD/DW of 19 yrs..yes an officer's wife. I actually have been with him since ROTC. He chose the AFROTC over the SA...OMG how stupid is what you are thinking. He was young and decided he wanted to experience college and not spend it walking the pavement. Yes he did get a flying slot...even has attended sister schools in residence, while other acads never got that shot.
    That being said, I only have 1 ? for you. What would Dad do as a leader when he knows that an officer in his command didn't lie, but just skirted the truth a bit?
    So what is your 1st choice? Is it to be an officer or just join the military? If it is the second you will have a miserable career. The military is not the same as it was prior to Gulf 1, deployments are longer, benefits are worse and chances of promotions are becoming less, our budget is getting to the point that we are constantly having to find new ways to squeak out another penny. YOU MUST LOVE THE BRANCH, it is not enough to say I want to serve my country. You can do that in other ways, become a diplomat, go to law school join DOJ, become an acct and work for IRS, become a teacher and go overseas fo DODD schools. Putting on a uniform is just not the only answer.
    My S wants to join the AF and only the AF. He is not trying for the Army or Navy, he knows he would not want to be on a boat or in a tank. Does that make him selfish and truly not military, IMO no, it makes him smart...he understands who he is and what he wants. Of course I am bias, but I think the AF would rather have 100 AF service members that want the AF, than 100 who just want to serve. The reason the AF has such a high retention rate is that is their motivation when recruiting.
    Finally, go back and re-read everything you said, ask yourself if you are being honest with yourself? If you believe that your actions were right, then fine you have to look at yourself in the mirror, not me. If you think otherwise than start changing your actions.
    IMO you need to see also how people perceive you, because the MOC's, the recruiters, the ALO/MALO/BGO are my age, not yours, we see the pic differently. One day you will too.
     
  16. Luigi59

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    The code remains "A cadet will not lie, cheat, or steal, nor tolerate those who do."

    I couldn't find the part that said "except when we have to lie a little bit to save us trouble."
     
  17. Pima

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    Exar,
    I know you think we are ganging up on you, but we aren't.

    We all are just trying to point out how you can become the best officer that the military deserves.

    Finally, I am sure you want us to respect you as an adult, we do, however, you must accept the criticism as an adult. I still get criticism everyday, I will always defend myself, but I also take it and try to make myself a better person. I think this is why people aren't letting it drop. You defend yourself, but never say, you know what I seem to be the only person who feels this way, maybe I should re-visit my stance and see it from someone else's point, (in this case it looks like everyone elses opinion).

    Not meaning to be antagonistic, but please state your case to why we all should change our opinion. Use real life military examples that you have come into contact with about the little lie that didn't hurt.
     
  18. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    I've just read this thread, so I feel the need to weigh in.


    1. Service Academies. My top pick, USCGA followed by USNA, followed by USMMA. I would hardly call the later two back ups, but that was the order. I stayed overnight at CGA and MMA. When asked which I would go to, I said I wasn't sure and that's why I was there. Sure I was leaning towards CGA, but I wasn't positive. It was my experiences that weekend that set it in stone.

    2. I had two Congressional interviews, one for Rep. Bob Clement and one for Sen. Bill Frist. I got two nominations for each academy (USNA and USMMA, no Congressional nomination needed for USCGA). In my First interview, I was asked straight up about my plans. I told him that CGA was my top pick, but I liked USNA and USMMA and had a NROTC scholarship lined up. When asked which schools I applied to for it, I said Auburn, UNC, and Vanderbilt, with Vandy being my top pick. Came to find out later he was the boss for that unit. He understood CLEARLY that I considered the NROTC option as a back up, BUT he accepted my into the Vanderbilt NROTC without a followup interview. I was honest and open, I wanted to serve my country, plain and simple. I chose the sea services. You can't SELL that stuff, it has to be natural. Don't play to the interviewer, they can see right through it. This isn't some TV game with strategy. You stay open and honest, and they can see it.

    3. Honesty is not a joke, it's not something you can distort to "meet your objective". You sacrifice it, you're gone. Doesn't matter if daddy has ONE star. Doesn't matter is daddy has four stars. Kid three years below me had a one star (now two) who was a district commander. He never talked about it. That's good because using the shadow of your father will not get you far in your commissioning program, or even more importantly, the service you go into.


    From an officer, I find your comments disturbing. If you're going to come onto a board to get help, and then pounce on someone who you don't agree with, it's not needed.

    You need to take a round turn on your attitude and take a look at the real reason you're joining the worlds greatest Armed Forces.
     
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  19. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    It might also be the extremely nice golf courses....
     
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  20. justawife

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    No it is because when they (AF) deploy it is only to 4 star hotels. LOL

    Someone joked with my spouse about that.
     
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