CHINA DRONES

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  1. cga82

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    I feel that only a small number of the "42000 drones" will be the type of Predator-esque missile carrying combat drones we see in the news all the time. Odds are that most will be Amazon-delivery type drones. At least in build.
     
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    Let's see .... 42,000 "amazon delivery drones" all with a five pound carry limit, a twenty mile delivery radius - all carrying a Semtex explosive charge.

    That would keep me up at night.
     
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    A continuous growth of squeeze on America from every direction. Something is gonna give. How much of the Drone technology did we give away and are giving away?
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    I'm about 99% sure the drone I own wasn't made in America, wasn't based on American technology and wasn't made with American parts. I'm also about 99% sure were haven't cornered the market on "things flying without pilots." Look at it on the good side cga82…. drones can't have sleep apnea.
     
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    I am not too concenred unless the U.S. planning to invade China.

    I am not a UAV expert, but I believe they need line of sight from its ground control station or data relay stations to operate.
    I don't know how many UAVs a ground control station can control effectively, but my guess is more automated the control system is less effective the UAV will be.
     
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    Not true. Beyond line-of-sight is now off the shelf technology here in the US. I’m sure it’s the same in China, especially if were talking military applications.

    Furthermore, small drone technology is exploding. I am sure that you can buy a drone package now that would allow you to set GPS coordinates, enabling the drone to land in a predetermined area. Essentially, that would mean that you could send a drone(s) to an enemy camp, with a five-pound load of explosives, if you knew its location, from miles away.


    A side note…my DS is a squad leader for the upcoming yuck CFT. I’m seriously considering letting him borrow my Parrot drone and so he can have it (unexpectedly) land in the middle of his squad’s camp. Just to use this as a jumping off point for discussion of the dangers this technology presents.
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    I have a Parrot Bebop. Cool drone but HORRIBLE role out and support.
     
  9. MemberLG

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    I should have clarified as to not "visual" line of sight, but radio line of sight. Earth is round, not flat. I am more concerned about UAVs with an extended range (several thousand miles) not short distance. As for small drones, they still have to follow the law of physics, more they carry or fly, bigger energy source (i.e. battery pack or combustible engine) and accrodingly get bigger. I am pretty sure China has nothing like our long distance UAVs, something we can launch from US or very far away. The issue is not the airframe, rather Command and Control network infrastucture. Our Global Hawk has range of 8700 nm (accoridng to wiki). So far China to use their UAVs against us (my assumption here is that their UAVs are not long range UAVs), we have to very close to China or Chinese force has to very close to US.
     
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    I just think we are talking past one another. I am approaching this issue on a more "asymmetrical warfare" level. If we get into a shooting war with China, drone capabilities are probably the least of our problems.

    1.) However ... according to my "line of sight" calculator, a drone operator working from a two story building will have a radio line of sight of about twelve miles. Here is a picture of a swarm of "off the shelf" drones flying in formation. This was done using 2012 technology.
    49-Quadrocopters_4-620x325.jpg

    2.) Here is a picture of an Army base in the desert.

    army-mil-107026-2011-05-02-060547.jpg

    The cost of 50 commercial drones is about $100k. Each drone has a 5 pound payload. I hate to imagine adding 1+2
     
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    LITS please tell us all about your drone. Since you're so sure (99%),-Please tell us-where was your drone made? How do you know it wasn't made with American technology? Where were the parts for your drone made? Please send pictures of your drone-we would all love to see them! Maybe, we can get you to come to the next kids party so you can do your circus act with your drone!!? It's kinda like being in Cup Cake land playing patty cake.
     
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    This is real Genius! Let me help you out here-let's make it about 100%.
     
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    Just like a condescending kid trying to make fun of 2 serious situations. Guess what, China is spending the same amount of money per yr on Drones that we are spending on Sleep Apnea-Yep--$1.2 Billion. I wonder if China is serious!! Maybe you can write a nice cute letter to them telling them that we are careful with our money and they should do the same thing we are doing and stop this nonsense with the Drones and start paying for Sleep Apnea for their Army. BTW, we still have to have operators to fly the drones and they can get the Sleep Apnea Disability--right?
     
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    Sean and LG here are 2 more links(a few yrs old) with short articles about the Chinese Drones. Apparently they are very close looking to our Drones but lack the capability yet the article states that they are growing capability. The Chinese don't screw around and are serious-although LITS and some of his other friends would make fun at my expense.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...UTTaoyyqrX1fhGbdQ&sig2=pB6NGtuRN_TgFxFgV15xuw

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...MMk2_PqHB9TGCfvTw&sig2=SnDm24zcVxTz3giaHFerwg
     
  15. LineInTheSand

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    Parrot Bebop drones are made by a company started in 1994 called Parrot Technologies. It's a French company. (So it comes from the same country that makes the bulk of the Coast Guards helos).

    And just so you're 100% sure, France isn't the United States.
     
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    "Designed in France. Assembled in China."
     
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    Adding 1 + 2 will require the advesary to get within 12 miles _/+ of the base and launch the attack. We can assume that the adversary can probably launch the attack without getting detected, although depends on the geography, might be hard to find a launch site within 12 miles to launch 50 UAVs without getting detected.

    The geopolitical question is where is the location of 1+2? Closer to US or farther away from China, harder it is to pull it off. Hence I go back to my one of my original points that I am not too concerned about short range UAVs unless US is going to attack China.
     

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