Chinese Threat

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  1. ds52262

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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Ah, and they employed the old "strip down to their underwear technique." No, you won't be learning that at any of the sea service academies.
     
  3. Bullet

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    But I did read somewhere that most of the US crew were Merchant Marines.

    And who says that the Merchant Marines don't see any action!
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    They see more action than a good chunk of the fleet...


    KPers certainly see more than most cadets/midshipmen.
     
  5. Bullet

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    Like me 'Ol Pappy used to say: "You done good, son."

    And I would pay quite a big penny for the pictures of the Chinese sailors fighting off the fire hoses in their scivvies! Talk about embarrasing international incident!

    Brings a whole new meaning to "Chinese fire drill".... :biggrin:
     
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    flyersboy114 USAFA Cadet

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    I'm sure they were testing President Obama. Just like they did to President Bush in April on '01
     
  7. jbrown

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    Not so uncommon. With today's media it's more advertised.

    This is certainly more dangerous than it has to be, getting within 25' of the ship is wreckless.

    But it's the same thing that's happened for years. DMZ in Korea, Marines from Adak and Ivan leaving "gifts" on each others beaches in the 80's, Guards tossing "gifts" to each other over the Berlin Wall, etc. etc. etc.

    This does take the taunting to a dangerous level though. Same with the aircraft in 01. There's a fine line between a little taunting and getting wreckless. And in 01 in cost a life, and who knows what was lost from the P3.
     
  8. J Collins

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    "The Obama administration said it would continue naval operations in the South China Sea, most of which China considers its territory"

    Okinawa sits with the South China Sea on its western shore... That statement is scary!
     
  9. unitedstatesAFA2013

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    Why is it scary? It actually sounds funny how the island and the sea are being personified LOL. It reminds me of a Discovery Channel Special narration...the observation of landmarks in their natural habitats.
     
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    Speaking of gifts, how about the 25 DVD's that we gave Great Britain? We get priceless pens from the HMS Resolute, and they get American DVDs that don't play in European DVD players.

    And what's with sending the Winston Churchill bust back? :thumbdown:
     
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    the fact that China thinks the South China sea is mostly their territory...
     
  12. unitedstatesAFA2013

    unitedstatesAFA2013 Candidate Appointee

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    Oh, haha yeah I was thinking the same thing...how delusional!
     
  13. ds52262

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    Chinese Military Vs US Military

    PLA (Army) 2.3 million soldiers vs 545.279 US Army

    PLAN (Navy) 290,000 vs 323,000 US Navy

    PLAAF (Air Force) 370.000 vs 328,000 USAF

    These numbers are probably on the low side. The technological edge has been our advantage to date, but the Chinese military has been on a growth cycle for sometime. They are increasingly aggressive, and should be respected for the threat they present.
     
  14. jbrown

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    You forgot to include almost 200,000 Marines into your count, and dont' forget the 850,000 reserves.

    Remember the last time the Marines went up against the Chinese. At the Chosen Reservoir. Out numbered more than 10 to 1, kicked their butts pretty good. And that was before we had the airpower we do today.

    You can't match the Chinese against us on a 1 to 1 basis. We're better trained, better equipped and more motivated. Not to mention they don't have the means to transport 3/4 of their troops anywhere but within their own homeland. It's what we would call "targets in the open"

    jb
     
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    It's "fun" to speculate on the big Chinese bear (I grew up with the big Soviet bear)...

    However...look at the picture from all angles and ask the BIG question: What would be the benefit for China from a military confrontation with the USA?

    Answer: NOTHING.

    Numbers are great...etc...etc...but if you do a bit of digging into what it is China wants, truly WANTS, it gives one a totally different picture. China wants to be a "Global Peer." SHORT definition: think SUPER power.

    The true challenge they face is that NO nation has ever become a global peer without a major military conflict. Think global war, or very close to it.

    China said they would become a global peer through economic success and NOT military conflict. And that makes sense; especially when you realize that the only real nation they would have a conflict with would be us. And that has NO beneficial return for them.

    So...they go to war with us economically. Sure, they taunt our ships, harass our aircraft, etc., but SO WHAT? That's nothing but a sound bite for the news. At the end of the day, they show they can pretty much do whatever they want, short of conflict, and we can't do anything other than complain.

    Just an FYI...we in the military are NOT unaware of this; it was a MAJOR part of my full year of Air War College. Folks are watching this and working on "how do we deal with a new peer?"
     
  16. oldgrad

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    The greatest untapped market for manufactured goods in the world right now is China. Only one problem, no one can afford them. That will gradually change as their standard of living increases. At some point, they will no longer depend solely on the US for their markets. When this happens, standby.

    Why is China developing an aircraft carrier. Economics? I doubt it.
     
  17. unitedstatesAFA2013

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    I think we should be focusing on North Korea and their "satellite tests" not the hosing down of some Chinamen with their clothes off...
     
  18. Pima

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    No Korea may be a threat for Nuclear reasons, but they are all show and no substance. Check out this link. It seems to be pretty bright on the DMZ for SO Korea!

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/dprk-dark.htm.

    Any country that can't afford to keep their lights on at night, can't afford to wage any military action against even their neighbor! Kim Jong iL is a nut case, but he even knows that our military would flatten his country within hours if he tried something. Pretty sure Russia and China would also use their missile defense system against him. They might not be our best buds, but they aren't about to allow a nuke go over their heads and say to the US...GEE we didn't see it on our system!

    Cuba and Venezuela is more of a threat, because not only their realtionship with Russia, but the proximity to the US. To me Putin and Chavez are scarier than iL Jong or Jintao. Currently due to gas prices being so low for these industralized countries the leaders are feeling the unrest and rearing their ugly heads against us. These countries are big time oil producers. If I recall correctly wasn't oil a reason that theday of infamy occurred in 1941?

    Not saying they will attack, but those 3 countries are getting very chummy!
     
  19. ds52262

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    You do not rapidly expand your military with no viable threat unless you see some future need. Will China use their military to put down internal rebellion? they have done this before. Does China have expansionist ideals? I believe so.

    The increase in their submarine fleet. The modernization of it's Army and Air Forces. The advances they have made (with gifts from the Clintons) in space technology. The militarization of space.Their control over things like the Panama Canal. The ownership of much of the worlds ocean shipping vessels.
    Taking over large ports like Long Beach.

    Like most Communist countries their wealth come from exploiting resources. When things get difficult you can be sure they will use that military to seize more resources. They are currently reaching deeply into Africa for just that purpose. The African continent does not offer them anything but access to resources they require for wealth and power.
     
  20. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    If you were on that ship, that would be a different story. Statements were also made about the tests.
     

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