Class comepetitiveness at West Point

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  1. jonafox94

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    How hard is it to be at the top of the class at west point like top 15%. I know this seems like a general statement but please do your best to ansewer
    Also how hard is it to get into the summer training programs, I would really like to do the Combatives course 1 2 and 3, also sere school and combat diver school
    I am going to try as hard as i can no matter what once i get there I was just wondering what I am going up against
     
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    CDQC is very difficult. Extremely demanding and very few slots.

    SERE, I'd wonder why exactly you want to go.
     
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    What does it take exactly?
    Very high gpa
    and also very high in the other two grading categories, military and physical.
    also can you tell me exactly how a cadet gets grades in those categories?

    [/QUOTE] SERE, I'd wonder why exactly you want to go.[/QUOTE]
    A lot of people have asked me that. I am obsessed with Man vs Wild this will be Man Vs Wild to the extreme.
    I really want that tab.
    I enjoy doing things that not many people can do.
    Its hard to explain and I know hard it is but I just know I want to do it.
    I met and spoke to an NCO that went to SERE and found out everything I could.
     
  4. USMA2016

    USMA2016 Appointee - Class of 2016

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    A few things:

    Watching man v wild and partaking in man v wild... two very different things. Do you have a lot of experience in wilderness survival? Are you a scout?

    Second, my dad (he's in the navy) did the USMC Sere level B course at Bridgeport, CA and he can tell you that it is not something you'll ever want to do. If you at all squirm when you see an animal being killed... maybe sere isn't your thing.

    Fun fact: there is no SERE tab.
    Also... IMHO tabs, badges, ribbons, and other awards should not be what motivates you.
     
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    your kidding right?
    that hurts my feelings shows my lack of military knowledge but im learning
    I know its not the same as watching I do not care thats the kind of person I am just because people continue telling me its hard and I dont want to do it does not mean I do not want to do it. I really want to do it if I quit I quit. The NCO told me that I WILL cry but I dont care I just want to do it.
     
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    Holy run-on sentence, Batman. You are asking about professional schools, not texting your friends. Consider how seriously you want to taken. SERE is nothing like Man v. Wild, I can assure you.

    For CDQC you must be chosen and pass pre-scuba.
     
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    This is an online forum I didnt think anyone was checking to see if i used commas in the right places...
    you understood it, thats what matters
    thank you for the answer, I'm going to go for it.
     
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    :rolleyes:

    Yeah, what do a bunch of USMA graduates, cadets, and officers, and admissions reps know? We're here to serve you, and certainly shouldn't expect you to exhibit anything like the maturity of someone seeking to not only attend the nation's premier leadership institution, but to also attend some of the most selective and rigorous summer training courses.

    There is a saying in the SOF community: "assessment never ends."

    But you're right, this is an online forum. Your username is totally anonymous so no one would be able to form an opinion of your potential as a cadet or your overall attitude and aptitude for selective training. Oh, wait....


    A little reminder, kids: the devil created the internet so bad decisions can live forever.
     
  9. cisco

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    If you're going to SERE, consider if you truely would need to take it. Say, if you want to become a pilot, or go into Infantry, etc. Badges and Patches and such shouldn't be the reason of why you'd want to take these courses. If so, you may find out it's way harder than you could of ever imagined.
    Man vs. Wild isn't even real.

    Here is a link to all the MIAD courses you can take while in USMA. As well as for ROTC in college: http://www.usma.edu/uscc/ldb/xmdsx12.htm

    SERE has 10 available slots. CDQC has 15 slots. Very few people go, and even fewer complete and pass these courses. The site tells you the requirements.
     
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    SERE is not for the faint of heart, nor is it a school that is worth everyone's time. If you will not be in a position with a high risk of capture, then you would be better off using your time on other MIADs.
     
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    Did you take any MIADs in USMA?
     
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    Yes, I did Airborne.

    We did not have as many choices as you all have now. That being said, if you want to jump, going as a cadet is your best bet. Otherwise, you'll never go there unless you go to an airborne billet. That's harder than you think.

    In my opinion, MIADs should be utilized for something you have little to no chance at getting in Big Army but which will help you in your career.
     
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    Quick question out of curiosity: what are some of the least competitive/most common MIADs cadets take?
     
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    Airborne and AASLT
     
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    Awesome; those actually were some that looked really exciting!

    Also, congrats Scoutpilot on your 2,000th post! You've provided quite the resource of knowledge for all of us!
     
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    Oh lord. I post too much.

    Anyhow, if excitement is what you want, Airborne is the way to go. AASLT isn't that exciting. Pathfinder is downright boring, but hard.

    No amount of rappelling compares to that 4-6 seconds of hoping and praying you feel the opening shock of your main canopy.
     
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    Well I guess you are right, this is no average internet forum. I apologize for my writing.
    I do not belive that anyone in a position to judge my potential as a cadet, or my overall attitude and aptitude for selective training will form a negative opinion of me based on my writing style in an internet forum. The things I say may be judged, but not my writing style.
    But you are correct, I am the one that really does not know anything. I will take your advice, thank you.
     
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    I have reviewed all of the MIADs previously. I decided which I liked a few weeks ago.
    This one comment completely changed my perspective on the MIADs though. Everything else seemed like someone trying to scare me out of doing it, but this is a very respectable reason not to attend SERE school.
    In all honesty, before this post, even though I knew that all of the MIADs were serious military training classes, I also thought they were supposed to be fun. In a lot of things that I have read online it seems like a pitch to get more people to come.
    Sorry for the misunderstanding, now I know, and for that I thank you.
     
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    ScoutPilot
    I was under the impression that those were the only ones, and that every cadet has to do at least one. Since this isnt true I was also wondering, with the MIADs being so selective, what are some other "summer assignments?"
     
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    No, MIADs are not supposed to be "fun." They are training. As a cadet, you would be mixed in with soldiesr, NCOs, and officers. These are not "cadet only" classes nor are they intended as some form of summer entertainment.

    Airborne has moments of fun. It also has many more moments of heat, sweat, and exhaustion, 0400 wakeups and random inspections, demerits, and students being removed from the course.

    First you need to figure out what you want to do. If you want to be an infantry officer, SERE isn't worth your time. But one of the many other MIADs that focuses on maneuver and tactics would be. I honestly can't think of any situation where I would advise a cadet to go to SERE. If you need it, they send you. No reason to waste valuable MIAD opportunities on something the Army will give you should you need it. There are other schools you will never, ever get in the Army.
     

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