Class of 2011 Early Outs?

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  1. Northstream

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    I have read some e-mails from parents whose USNA grads have been offered and /or gotten separations. 1 2010 dad says more than 200 from that class.

    It appeared mostly from flight but not exclusively.Does anyone have info on other resent years?
     
  2. Mongo

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    I would doubt this seriously.
     
  3. Whistle Pig

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    My understanding is 2010 was an anomaly. Pipeline got backed up due to major equipment problem. Thus the "pass" level went from 80 to 90s. Furthermore many were offered voluntary change of community. So some can and do flunk out but not like for 2010. They seem to be current w/ fewer trainees sitting around. Very different from a year ago when indeed many were being separated if they were unable or reluctant to pursue transfer to another warfare community.
     
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    Doubt is good

    so what have you heard? what has happened in the most recent classes. with all the alumni on this board there must be info.
     
  5. Northstream

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    passing grade was raised from 80 to 92% at API, according to dad whose son was seperated
     
  6. Hurricane12

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    2011 probably hasn't had that many people leave yet, and I doubt that 2010 had 200 leave already. That's an awful lot.
    The biggest drop areas would be flight school, nuke school, TBS failures, or DORs from BUD/S. The flight school pipeline has stabilized, the nuke draft didn't happen for 2011, and the screening was much tougher for SEALs than it was for 2010 (2010 apparently had an unusually large number of DORs at BUD/S). I can't think of anyone from my company from 2011 who's out yet (vice 4 civilians/re-designations from 2010).
    It's also been less than a year. Most Academy Marines JUST graduated TBS a week or two ago, so people who got hurt or rolled would still be in limbo as to their future. There's some SNAs/SNFOs who haven't classed up API yet, and even more who haven't, or have barely started, primary. The most common start options for nukes were July and September (roughly), so those guys are still thoroughly in the pipeline.
     
  7. Northstream

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    good info Hurricane , thanks
     
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    Believe it or not, even with the gloom and doom of the budget ‘forecasters’ on this forum, the Navy is in a period of growth. Total active ship numbers of 285 today will increase to 313 over the next few years, given current construction. Eleven total air wings support 11 CVNs. The Enterprise will be decommissioned after their present cruise but the Ford will be on line within a few years. It will take a lot of soul searching by Congress to decommission the Nimitz 15 years before the end of her service life. So aviation will remain pretty much constant. Sure, the new ships are slightly more efficient and will have a few less officers. In austere times, a few might deploy at less than 100% of their officer compliment. A few JO billets might be filled by career WOs/LDOs. However, the demand for new Ensigns will remain relatively constant over the foreseeable future. The belt tightening mentioned above will allow entry level training programs to be more critical and to demand better performance. There has always been problems placing those who have been dropped from one of these programs. It is best for the Navy to separate them.

    Where we will see changes is at the end of the mandatory service requirement. Austere economic times cause greater than normal officers to remain on active duty. Here, programs to rid the ranks of the less than stellar will be placed in effect.

    Two hundred RIFs, like Hurricane stated, is an awful lot. That would be over half of those in flight,and sub schools and BUDS/Etc.
     
  9. Northstream

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    200

    200 does seem like a lot, came from a BG. Hard to verify unless you are in the know, navy does not tell us parents much.

    There are many companies that highly value service academy grads, several parents have stated their grads found jobs quickly after separation.

    Poly Sci and fly has been a motto for some, seems picking a valuable major becomes more important if the career path takes an unexpected turn. Many mids might choose a major expecting to get a better GPA, hence a better service selection and since choice of major is not a principle factor in service selection, it made sense. Not if the navy/marines deem you surplus.
     
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    I know this thread is talking about life after USNA, but what about the incoming class sizes given the reductions in active service personnel reported in the media? There seems to be uncertainty in class size for upcoming plebe classes at all the academies, and a slowdown in admittances until class size is finalized. Any info about this?
     
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    Where did you get your "gouge?" I think, relative to USNA you've reached erroneous conclusions. USAFA is whacking numbers this year, but many would contend that should have been done decades ago. USNA's cut should come in Newport, saving millions and allowing real prep schools to do the job better and cheaper, i.e. if the job needs doing at all.
     
  12. Mongo

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    The vast majority of those who wash out of flight school do so due to lack of effort on their own part. This is hard to justify to mom and dad and they can usually get away, at least prior to the age of the internet, with the "it's happening to everyone" argument.
     
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    I think Mongo might be stuck.

    "Who's on 1st?":confused:

    "No, he's on 2nd!" :thumb::eek::rolleyes::wink:
     
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    I think I answered usnapper in my post # 8, before he asked the question. I was just moving back to the OP's concerns.
     
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    Surely you were. :wink: :thumb:
     
  16. Northstream

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    Lack of Effort?

    "The vast majority of those who wash out of flight school do so due to lack of effort on their own part."


    It seems a disservice to any service academy grad to dismiss their failure in their chosen path as being lazy.After all the effort to get in, plebe summer, plebe year, dark ages, ect.

    The mids I have met do not seem lazy to me, they put everything into whatever they do.
     
  17. Hurricane12

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    Fact: there are lazy mids. More than you think.
     
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    Class of 2011

    Father-in-law brought over his copy of Shipmate. In it under the Class of '56 recapped events at their 55th reunion. Dr Andrew Phillips, Academic Dean, addressed the crew. He told them. "the Class of 2011 had an attrition of 15% with only 3% due to academics and the remaining 12% due to resignations and disciplinary action." Obviously this is prior to graduation, but found it interesting.
     
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    :shake: I was thinking same. This is a conglomeration of 4,400 teenagers/young adults. Like IQ, time in the 40 yard dash, and good looks, effort and motivation are not evenly distributed. Even at USNA and/or consequent Pcola flight training. Think bell curve. Some are more dedicated to R & R than others.

    The concept of lazy can and does have its application even on the Yard and beyond. Much as some imagine, Camelot it's not.:rolleyes::cool: And darn few Lancelots and Lotties.
     
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    Which is fully consistant with recent past classes ... and would in small part perhaps support the "laziness" hypotheses. :confused:

    "Oh how I hate to get up in the morning ...":thumbdown::shake:
     

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