Class of 2014 entering profile

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  1. WAMom68

    WAMom68 Founding Member

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    I noticed they finally posted this online.
    http://www.usma.edu/Class/2014/profile.asp

    I'm surprised by the number admitted, only 1375, after hearing how this class was so much larger than previous classes...class of 2011 had 1305, 2012 had 1292, and 2013 had 1299.
     
  2. Dixieland

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    Wonder what the Class of 2014 enrollment number is right now?
     
  3. scoutpilot

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    Well, if you think about it in terms of unit distribution, that 70 kids is about 2 extra companies' worth of plebes.

    The classes have been on a steady upward climb in size. My class entered in 2000 with 1169 or so. They are 200 more kids in the class of 2014! That's a big difference. 2015 will feel the pinch with the 125 fewer slots they'll see for admission.
     
  4. WAMom68

    WAMom68 Founding Member

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    I see you have changed your opinion since your post in late May (post #12):
    http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=12777&page=2

    I realize the class sizes have been increasing over time but I had expected to see a number over 1400 for 2014 based on the online chatter.
     
  5. philmont

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    USMA class of 2014

    from USMA site: Class of 2014
    Class Profile
    Volume of Applicants

    Men Women Total
    Applicant Files Started 9,917 2,347 12,264
    Nominated 3,452 699 4,151
    Qualified (academically
    & in physical aptitude) 1,963 379 2,342
    Admitted 1,125 250 1,375


    So, in looking at this. Many that are nominated are NOT academically and physically qualified? Trying to figure these numbers out. Conversely one can be qualified and not nominated, right?
     
  6. scoutpilot

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    Well when the regional commander says point blank that the class will be limited to no more than 1250, there isn't much wiggle room. Of course, that thread was from almost 6 months ago and the RC told the SW AFF that number two weeks ago.

    However he did also vindicate my belief that the 1375 was not an "oops" by admissions, but a willful decision in light of the applicant pool.

    I realize you don't like me, but you certainly do have some time on your hands to go dig that thread up. :wink: I hate when the past comes back to haunt me! Damn you, Internet!
     
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  7. WAMom68

    WAMom68 Founding Member

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    Back in May admissions must have told our FF person something or he wouldn't have said it in front of the entire parents club. I'm sure he didn't know that it would be limited to 1250 but he knew it would be smaller than 2014's size.

    I don't recall that I ever said the 1375 was an oops by admissions but you can check my past posts on that point. :wink:

    It took me about 2 minutes to find that previous post because I know how to use the forum's search function. Plus I have a LONG memory.

    It isn't about not liking you, it's about you coming across like I don't know what I heard or what I'm talking about. I try to be very careful about what I post here so I don't lead any candidates astray. I know I am not an admissions expert so I don't give advice like I am. I'm very involved with our local FF and parent's club so I keep my eyes and ears open for reliable information to share here.

    Have a great weekend!
     
  8. scoutpilot

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    No, perhaps you didn't say that, but many folks have. Much has been made of the LOAs from last year, but the decreased decline rate only account for about 50 extra kids in the class. The rest was because admissions didn't want to pass on so many great candidates (the RC's words).

    I think our new RC is much more forthcoming than in the past. We were cadets together, and he is an outstanding officer.
     
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    jake s USMA Cadet

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    Scoutpilot,
    I can't agree with you more. I got to meet the SW regional commander a couple of weeks ago at a local college fair and he was very helpful and supportive.
     
  10. scoutpilot

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    He is much nicer to work with now that I don't have to announce the beverage to him and arrange the condiments in height order.
     
  11. BigNick

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    Note that there are hundreds of candidates each year that get a nomination but do not get admitted.

    You must understand that congressmen can give their allocated nominations using ANY criteria they think is appropriate. Most congressmen try to nominate the best candidate from their area, but some do not - it is a political process for some congressmen. You can not expect a politically free process when every member of congress is involved. In some cases these nominees are not the best candidates in the congressional district. In other cases the people do not qualify physically, academically or from other causes.

    Therefore, getting a nomination is an essential part of getting into West Point but West Point Admissions must declare you fully qualified. Although I have seen a few cases of congressmen "badly wanting" their nominee to be admitted, West Point is very good at keeping the politics out of their part of the system.

    One area where "politics or political correctness" does come into play is the Army making sure the class is "balanced" or is meeting certain "goals" for women and minorities. I did not use the word "quotas", but there are definite percentage goals that admissions make a BIG effort to meet.
     
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    As we all know, 1368 showed up, and I hear tell of about 60 to 90 leaving since beast, to date. So law of averages says there is about 1,298 =/- 15 [now] in the class of 2014.

    Is that a fair guesstimate?
     
  13. Mongo

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    In 2000, when you entered, the authorized end strength was 4000. It is now 4400. This alone accounts for approximately 125 or so of the increase. The end strength is determined the day prior to graduation. So, with the senior class removed, the incoming class must also reflect the retention of the three preceeding classes.
     
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    Yes, we've discussed the increase ad nauseum. Yet I still have to convince certain people that the increased class sizes aren't an "oops" by admissions.

    The battle for logical thinking rages on.
     
  15. TheKnight

    TheKnight Class of 2014

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    As of a few weeks ago we were 1307.
     
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    I am guessing one of the main reasons why there is such a low number of academically and physically qualified candidates is because of the DoDMERB process correct? Or is that entirely separate?
     
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