Class of 2014 Profile

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  1. osdad

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    Thanks osdad. The notably better news in 2014 vs. the previous 2 years is that the new Supe has apparently dumped the ridiculous attempt to portray the diversity candidates among themselves. While this new format fails to expose the realities of the affirmative action quota drives that Fowler assumed as his mandate, at least they don't make the mistake of thinking they can fool readers into believing that the pool of diversity appointments is somehow analogous to the non-diversity pool.

    Some interesting and insightful notes in the 2014 profile ...it seems an increased # of NAPS appointments, and now 25% of appointees below the once 600 magic math baseline, and 1/4 below 570 verbal. The lead story is of course the now 17K+ apps/candidates. It would be interesting to get some breakdown on this data, and that'll happen when plebes are allowed to sleep in beyond Sundays. ;) Were I a betting mama, I'd guess there are still 2 admission programs at work here.
     
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    What I want to know is: how many from Texas? My DD was getting a lot of grief this summer from plebes saying half the class is from Texas! LOL
     
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    What do you mean WP that 2 admissions programs at work here? I am young and naive.
     
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    2014 profile/gpa and ranking

    Can anyone discuss the importance of cumulative (4 year) gpa and rankings vs. junior year? My son blew off 9th and 10th grade, then grew up. In junior year he got all As, made honor roll every semester, and is now a senior taking all ap or honors classes and doing well. So his junior year gpa and ranking are stellar, but the cumulative is grim (2.68 and 49th, respectively). His teachers, counselor, and BGO have all written glowing reports remarking on the turnaround; his SATs are well above USNA norms, he's captain of two varsity teams, he did well at NASS. But, based on close reading of 2014 profile, he doesn't stand a chance. Any advice?
     
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    Not sure I'd concur to the idea that your son stands no chance, especially in light of his wonderful turnaround and progress. My guess is it'd not be an easy slam dunk (none are, with a few notable exceptions) but I'd press on. Who has your BGO written to re: his course reversal? Stay in touch with that the BGO. I believe it merits a conversation with an admissions counselor as well. He does not seem to fit the NAPS profile, but maybe Foundation, altho from sounds of things, no remediation would add meaningful value at this point. Trust that his scenario will be/has been made apparent to his admissions champion. What state are you in? That could be at play. Assuming yours does not match one of diversity "needs of the Navy?" Were that so, you'd likely be that slam dunk. Prayer is always a reliable savior for those unable to save themselves, but only when you really believe it'll make the difference.

    While the numbers are diminishing, he may be a classic candidate for ROTC and a year of college elsewhere in which his multiple apps become a positive, and his earlier poor performance becomes negated. I'd place my money here in absence of an appointment this time around.
     
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    Much better than the opposite (high to low) which would be a killer. But not as good as consistently high. If the remainder of his package is strong, the negativity of the first two years on his WPM may be minimalized and he may get a shot. Unless there were extenuating circumstances beyond his control, no need to contact Admissions (and then, it might be worked into the essay. One of the specific taskings of the Board is to evaluate trends. Each and every member and then collectively they will analyze his transcript with a fine tooth comb. Trends and the anticipated ramifications of those trends on subsequent Academy academics will be analyzed. Math and science will be particulary scrutinized.

    And be prepared for them to ask for his first semester grades and possibly the nine weeks of the second semester before making an offer so no senioritis, or even a hint of it.
     
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    dpt135's question

    dpt135, there is @ least one poster here who sees ethnic bias in every issue related to USNA admissions. The "2 admissions program" is intended to mean that ethnic minorities are favored, and less qualified.
     
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    Thank you
     
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    And best ignored.
     
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    Thank you

    To the supportive and helpful members who replied; if you all are representative of the USNA community, we dearly hope to join you some day. Mongo, he anticipated your advice and is cranking out 100s on every test this semester, so we're ready.
     
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    in the class of 2104 profile:

    the number of 1,245 mids which include 390 from NAPS, NA Nuclear program, NA Foundation program, student from other colleges, and 34 from enlisted navy/marine, there fore the number freshly from high school is 1245-390-34 =821.

    Divide the number of mid 821 to the number of applicants 17417-424=16993 we have something like 4.81%.

    If we believe on this number then USNA has the lowest acceptance rate in the nation.
     
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    Are you trying to depress us us all? :eek:
     
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    Who/What does the USNA consider an "applicant"?
     
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    The truth may not always be appealing or convenient, especially among those who deem affirmative action quotas super duper. But the numbers don't lie, no matter how the PC crowd tries to spin them. All one needs to do to figure out the reality of a 2 track system is read, listen, watch, and discern. Denial is not conducive to discovering truth though. No need to take left-handed shots, but it's understandable when there is no other defense. Very common among the PC enlightened, as we're seeing nationally and here.
     
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    Sorry:wink: I just try to bring in one thing : Shall we believe the number ???
     
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    Here are the numerical comparisons that NorthernCalMomsy and Mongo chafe at and shoot at me about. Read them and come to your own conclusions. Not tough to figure out that their difficulty in acknowledging that there are 2 very distinct admission tracks to run on. True, none said life is fair, and this is a classic illustration. But for those in need of real knowledge about the challenges and dynamics of current USNA admissions practices, truth always trumps cheerleading and political correctness. It is what it is. And the following stats illumine why despite a near 50% increase in candidates over a 5 year span for the same number of appointments, that academic measures have declined dramatically.

    Comparing Class of 2009 with Class of 2014 - 5 years-all numbers taken from USNA reports.

    Class of 2009 had 13% of appointees scoring below 600 in math vs. 25% this year. A 50% decline.

    In verbal 26% were below 600 in 2009 ...for 2014 that same 25% were below 570, another similar dramatic drop.

    Priors have dropped from 76 to 34. Don't figure on getting in outta the fleet.

    NAPSters have increased 14% from 229 to 261. This one's obvious.

    Nuke school appointments ...down to 7 from 16

    Foundation down from 80 to 59

    Prior college students down from 81 to 63 down 22%. Don't figure on getting in outta Penn State or Michigan.

    Hispanics up to 176 from 115, 53% increase.

    African Americans up 129 from 68, increase of 90%

    Asian, Native, Pacific Islanders up 133 from 88, 51% increase.

    Alumni kids down 12%

    Women applicants are down 400 from 2009, a 10% drop.

    Like all things, this pendulum will swing back. But for now, political expediency rules the roost.

    The very good news is that the new Supe has obviously directed his admissions staff to not try and delude the public by illustrating comparisons of the 2 tracks. That was silly and only fooled a few, maybe 2.

    But like resolving an alcohol or other addiction, the first step is to recognize one is fat, drunk, doped up, or imposing racist policies for the sake of looking "right." Until that's acknowledged, nothing changes. This will, but for now this is it. So much for meritocracy. That's only for some.
     
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    Don't really want to go down the race argument again. It gets annoying and silly.

    But could you explain to me how decreasing legacy acceptances is a datum in support of decrease of meritocracy?
     
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    Well put, Mongo.
     
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    "Momsy", Whistle Pig? Is that all you've got?

    This forum is intended to help kids applying, or researching. I'm sorry your kid didn't get in, or whatever your grudge is. But do the right thing: don't clog up this board w/ your anger when kids are just trying to get information.
     
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