Class of 2017 Profile

Discussion in 'Naval Academy - USNA' started by 18'er, Sep 13, 2013.

  1. 18'er

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    Total number of applications went down, which I think is kind of interesting. Any reason why?

    SAT scores are a little higher.
     
  3. COmom

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    ^^^ USNA decided to count total number of applications differently this year. I'm not sure as to the exact criteria used, but it had to do with applications opened but not completed.
     
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    In the recent past, the Naval Academy had been heavily criticized for inflating their claims for number of applicants. If somebody goes to their website and checks a few questions - and never takes any further action, the academy was considering that person an applicant.
     
  5. supreme1

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    2017 profile

    Used to show scouting (first eagle scout then recently just scouting) and now no mention. Thought scouting was a major indicator of success, wonder why this changed.
     
  6. 18'er

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    That's a good question. Scouting membership has been declining, but I wonder if "other" factors have been elevated over scouting due to current administration and "controversy" over BSA membership policies.

    I see they tracked "adversity." I don't remember seeing that stat before.
     
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    I asked the BGO that same question and she was shocked to see it wasn't one of the statistics.
     
  8. 18'er

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    I wonder if it's lumped in with "Community Service?"
     
  9. 2017MarineDad

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    Looking in the past 4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016) I can't find Scouting nor Eagle being listed in the published profile. Also 2014 listed the "Hardship or Adverse Life Experience" cat.
     
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    In addition to Scouting not being on the list is Boys/Girls State. Both of these are included in the West Point profile.
     
  11. suddensam

    suddensam USNA BGO

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    Is that correct? I thought that you had to complete a preliminary application to be considered an applicant. That could be accomplished either here, or by applying to NASS. It's more than checking a few boxes.
     
  12. Memphis9489

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    Yes, the completion of the preliminary application resulted in the individual being counted as an applicant.

    The preliminary application (to which you provided a link) is very simplistic and can be completed in a matter of minutes.
     
  13. Vista123

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    As a parent of a two sons (one graduated highschool last yr, one will this yr) the usna preapplication, particularly the NASS application was far (yes I typed far) more rigorous than the University of Illinois application as well as the Washington University regular admission application. The United States Naval Academy preapplication was slightly more rigorous than the Northwestern Application and Vanderbilt application for regular admission.
     
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    my son applied to the U of Illinois school of civil engineering (top in the nation) in under 10 minutes -no teacher recs required, no official transcripts (self reporting only) -just act scores. and a short paragraph essay. he was accepted and admitted to their scholars program. and U of I is not common ap

    with common ap my son this yr, completed 7 applications in 1/10th of the time it took to complete ROTC applications.

    They have really streamlined college applications.
     
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    Personally, I don't feel the SAs should "count" an applicant, unless they completed all aspects to submit a complete application. Not only does it inflate the numbers, but it makes them appear more selective than they actually are. I realize that for most colleges, this is a very big goal, but colleges only include applications that are complete and submitted in their numbers for selectivity.
     
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    The difference, however, is that the entire application process is much more involved than that of your average college. Many candidates don't have the perseverance to even complete the application. That is part of the weeding-out process. Only counting those who followed through with everything - including CFA and medical, not to mention obtaining a nomination, would not paint a true picture of selectivity.
     
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    I agree that it is a very involved process. However, I still don't think that just because you open up a file, fill out a questionnaire and maybe have your test scores submitted, that that that should be considered enough to have applied. If the file isn't complete, you won't even be considered. There is nothing for the admissions board to declines, as they will not see your "application." Now, one point that I could agree with, would be somebody who has completed every aspect of the application, but does not get a nomination. For those, I would have no problem including them in the number of applicants.
     
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    The application isn't complete without a passed medical exam. You wouldn't include those either?
    Completing the basic application including essays, letters of rec, test scores, transcripts and cfa seems like it should be a countable application to me.
     
  19. krhern

    krhern DS Class of 2018

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    Having worked with our DS on completing the application to the USNA and other universities, there isn't anything compared to the SA application process. Making the SA's comparable to other universities app process would tremendously unfair and ridiculous.

    I am not sure of the reason why anyone that has done both would think they are close to being equal in effort or interest. I do agree that if someone simply inquires about the process then they shouldn't be counted. We are at a highly competitive high school. We have parents who have started the SA app process and have made statements about not moving forward due to the amount of time and energy to complete it. They have completed several Ivy League apps in less time that it takes to complete one (1) SA app.

    The SA's are extraordinary in their app process and should be due to their graduation of extraordinary leaders.
     
  20. USMAROTCFamily

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    If the applicant has insured that every item required of them is submitted, then I would deem that a complete application. If somebody is DQ due to medical, then there was nothing they could do about that. I think that would be a legitimate application for statistical purposes.
     

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