Class of 2017 Profile

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  1. My3Sons2017

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  2. BDHuff09

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    Looks very similar to last years.

    What I think is interesting is that there were 504 fewer Qualified Not Selected applicants in 2017 than in 2016, but only 10 fewer appointments.

    Is USMA getting more stringent in regards to what it defines as "Academically Qualified"? Are fewer medical waivers being granted?


    http://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/Shared%20Documents/Profile2016.pdf
     
  3. My3Sons2017

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    No Rolling Admissions

    BDHuff09, remember 2017 was the first year with no "rolling admissions". IMO the academy was able to be more selective with qualifying applicants. The numbers appear to support that. I would be surprised if the academy goes back to "rolling admissions" any time soon. I believe they will keep the LOE approach with a majority of appointments going out in late Feb. - early March.
     
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    Class 2017

    Very interesting study of this profile compared to last year. For those who want to apply to USMA can easily determine where their scores must be to considered for an appointment.

    Push Hard, Press Forward
     
  5. Dcarey1013@aol.com

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    What does nominated mean in the context of this profile? 4100+ nominations?
     
  6. runslikeajohndeere

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    DS fit profile well and could have boosted numbers throughout profile, but too many competitive candidates in state bumped him out. Study well and keep participating in service and team events. All will find a route to serve if that is their goal.

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  7. kinnem

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    It means they received at least one nomination to the academy. Could be from their MOC, Presidential, or VP.
     
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    Is there a breakdown of nominations? I'm trying to understand how 535 MOC plus the presidential nominations came out to 4100.
    Thanks
     
  9. kinnem

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    A MOC can nominate up to 10, although only 1 will be guaranteed an appointment. Presidential nominations are unlimited. You qualify or you don't. So with MOCs alone you could have 5350 nominations. Add in the Presidentials and you could probably be at 6000+. Suggest you read this sticky thread: http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=26838
     
  10. mmb5

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    Yield?

    The numbers in the profile omit the "yield". Most colleges would post an "admitted" number totalling all of those offered admission, and including those who enroll elsewhere, and an "enrolled" number, those who accept the offer of admission and enroll. Of the 2191 qualified for the class, no doubt there were some offered appointments who [were foolish enough to] decline. That information might give a better picture of the odds of appointment.
     
  11. Bruce111

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    Good info! Thanks!
     
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    I did not notice any mention of JROTC in the Class Profile. Any thoughts on why JROTC might not be tabulated and/or reported? Any thoughts on what the number of JROTC participants admitted might typically be?
     
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    Acceptance Rate for West Point

    mmb5, West Point is in the top ten of lowest acceptance rates in the country. For the class entering in the fall of 2012, the acceptance rate was 9% as reported by US News and World Report.
     
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    Mmb5, for the past couple years, the yield rate has been around 90%. Many of those that decline are going to another SA. There isn't much wiggle room in there as the complex process generally weeds out individuals leaving most that make it to an offer accepting it.
     
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    I think its interesting to note the incoming class incrementally increased the top tier for math by 5% over the prior year for ACT scores of 31 to 36. Roughly this means 60 more cadets year over year are in the top ACT tier for math in 2017 who would have scored in the 26 - 30 range the prior year. For those with a 31 or higher in the math section on the ACT it looks like this: 2016 = 34% and 2017 = 39%. The same can be said for the science reading section (2016 = 28% and 2017 = 31%) and the writing section (2016 = 16% and 2017 = 20%). West Point continues to pull in the best and brightest and is getting even more selective.
     
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    Not sure you could make a such definitive statement. A very limited sample size, but from what I seen as FFR there has been no significant change in kids interested in West Point from Maryland.

    The admissions office can easily adjust to admit more applicants with higher standardize test scores.

    If we compare West Point against another selective college

    Johns Hopkins University

    Standardized Tests Middle 50th percentile for admitted students in 2013*

    SAT Composite: 2110-2300
    ACT: 32-35

    *The “middle 50th percentile” refers to the range within which the middle half of freshmen admitted for fall of 2013 scored.
     
  17. another13mom

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    9%?

    Also, to the extent US News & World is calculating the yield, West Point's percentage is based on the number of applications (12,000) started - not applications completed - which is an unknown, but likely substantially lower number. For all other schools, the application number is based upon completed and PAID for applications and so results in a more accurate yield.
     
  18. MemberLG

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    To me the yield rate is useless data. The average accepted student profile is the most meaningful data. Regardless of the yield rate, 10% or 20%, an applicant's SAT, GPA, activities, and sports don't change.

    Comparing the yield rate between SAs and regular colleges is misleading. SAs have more requirements - nomination, medical qualification, physical qualification, and service obligation.
     
  19. GoArmyBeatNavy

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    Accurate if you equate West Points admissions process to completing a regular college's common app and any school specific app. West Point actually closes (screens) a large number of files before they get out of the initial application phase (candidate questionnaire). Not sure if civilian colleges are so forthcoming before they receive any payment for their applications.

    The yield number is only important to West Point as it relates to forecasting and can't be compared to other colleges.
     
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    "Yield" is different from the admission rate. The admission rate would be the number of applicants offered appointments; the "yield" is the number of appointments actually offered that are accepted. The profile omits the number of appointments offered, so you can'[t quite calculate either one from it, but the numbers are available elsewhere, as others have pointed out. 2014 started with 1386 new cadets on R Day, in part because the yield jumped from 77% reported for 2013 to somewhere just over 90%.
     

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