College Admission

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  1. tug_boat

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    A good percentage of applicants will not be selected to attend a service academy. Hopefully, a Plan B was in the works. Civilian type colleges are not doing us any favors selecting foreign students who pay full price over US students who's parent have paid years of taxes to support these school. The competition as well as the cost will continue to rise. To what point? I don't know.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/video/too-many-international-students-u-174707039.html

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  2. Jcleppe

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    Doesn't look like the trend will be slowing dow anytime soon.

    Some state that the higher number of foreign students paying full tuition allows the schools to offer more in scholarships to citizen students. Going through this process with two sons, I'm not sure I agree that's whats happening. Given that some schools seem to be allotting about 20% +- for international students, I can see where that makes the competition a whole lot tighter. The flagship university in our state has a higher percentage of international students and the acceptance rate has been going down each year.
     
  3. running615

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    Same thing happening in our state. I have twins graduating this year, one still waiting on ROTC scholarship (doing it with or without). That DS in only looking at one university (much against everyone's advice and arguing), has one of the highest rates of Chinese students from China. I had no idea. Not that I thought much about it until I saw how much "aid" my son was offered from that school....zero. Due to many reasons, that school has decreased in-state acceptance rates by about 2-3%/year. What does that mean... over many years has gotten SO much more competitive for the in-state kids, that they have lowered the threshold to receive any "aid" other than a loan (which they call aid) to a very low e.f.c. Why...because they are in this to make money, not to invest in their student's education.
     
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    I too have twin boys graduating in 9 weeks...........Twin A, we are waiting for USGA, plan B is ROTC, and the rest of the plans are Reserves if need be. Twin B is not so much of a "go getter" as his brother, so Reserves & a local in state college will be his way.
     
  5. running615

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    We are trying to talk our Twin B into looking into the Reserves as well. He is not too receptive until he finds out about the ROTC scholarship. He may not have a choice but to at least look into it. Good luck with graduation!
     
  6. tug_boat

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    It is very frustrating to see this dream slip through our fingers. I don't think its a good idea to take out loans to cover an education for jobs that may or may not be there and starting life deep in debt. I sat down a few years ago with a financial planner and start a saving account for my kids. The projected amount needed was well over 350K. Thats more than my retirement account. I don't know the answer to this issue. Colleges are there to make money and the only one who will be able to afford it are foreign students supported by sponsorships from their governments. Our competing governments are taking our education and running away with it. Our children will be left behind and thus so will our economy.

    Strapping on student loan debt onto our childrens backs will have long lasting effects. It will take them well into their thirties to pay off this debt, mean while they will never be able to enjoy home ownership and no one will qualify to buy our homes. Think about the effects that will have on the economy.

    There are several paths to accomplish these goals, it may take a little longer but success can be found. The key is to stay focused, keeping ones eye on the prize, because you can be easily distracted. Attend JC, transferring to a four school and work at the same time.

    It can be done!

    We must continue to push our kids to achieve higher education. If you think getting an education is expensive, think about the cost of living without it!

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  7. DanGir

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    This is a huge pet peeve of mine. I would love to see Congress severely limit colleges from accepting non US citizens. Ivy League schools accept somewhere from 12-18% of foreigners yearly. How many top US students are denied because of this? Then there is the trickle down effect which impacts students all over the US. Ridiculous in my opinion.
     
  8. MABlue

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    I would guess it wouldn't be possible to limit Intl. student numbers at private colleges such as the Ivy League. Might be possible for state schools, since they are public. Ivy schools try to get international applicants because it can extend their global influence and network. Also, often times, international students applying to selective colleges in the US tend to be capable of paying tuition without financial aid, which could also play a part.
     
  9. kinnem

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    How about the states take care of it since they run the public colleges. Why does it always have to be the Feds. Many states already limit out of state students which would include foreigners as well.
     
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    No, we need to continue to push our kids that have desire and/or capabilities to achieve higher education. It is what it is as higher education is not for everyone. As long as kids are blindly push to obtain higher education, colleges can charge more and more.
     
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    Why only stop at foreign students? Why not cars, tvs, phones, clothes, oil, food, and etc.
     
  12. tug_boat

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    MemberLG I do agree with you again, yes I said it again publicly, you are right. Hahaha Its a supply and demand theory taking place. Ive posted on SAF Mike Rowes videos on this subject and he makes very good points. We've sold our kids this idea that getting a degree will keep you from working hard like me, the parent. He states, many trade jobs go unfilled in the US because no is available to fill them. However, as a country, as a whole we could be falling behind the education curve.

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    It's easier to comment on a post. One limitation of this forum is that we can't post everything on our mind. Sometimes I might appear to be sharp shooting a post, if so I apologize in advance.
     
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    I remember when my kids were seniors in high school, being recruited for guess which sport. Our Flagship U, while pursuing sons, said there was not really scholarship money available to them for sport (academics, yes), because of the foreign students, better at fencing, who would be on a full ride.

    Really annoyed me
     
  15. Wild Blue Yonder

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    Will probably take a lot of heat for this, but it needs to be said.
    A lot of the posts above state that they resent the fact that international students are getting more slots and scholarships than U.S. students. Well, the sad fact is that our education system is failing us. 4.0 students today would barely be 3.0 students 25 years ago. The teachers unions are protecting bad teachers and the good teachers are getting out for better jobs in industry, etc. Teachers and the system are "just moving kids through the system", most don't care, just waiting for their cushy retirement. Sure, there are a few good ones out there, but overall the system is getting worse.
    Most people on this forum have 5 star kids and I get that, but it's not due to the education system in the U.S., it's due to them taking time and effort to help their little Johnny and Jane be successful.
    It all starts at the top (think elections)... Let's start by getting rid of common core and the teacher's unions.
    We can fix it... If we want to...
     
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    My position is if they take a dime of taxpayer funds (state or federal) then they need to put US citizen children first. If they don't take a dime of US tax payer money, then have at it in terms of who they decide to admit.

    For me, a state college should ALWAYS put residents first and foremost. The state tax payers subsidize the college, thus the state tax payer's children should receive priority.
     
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    I agree with you, but the issue is still that the colleges make up an increasing part of their budget from the full rack tuition paid by foreign and out of state students. Drastically decrease these numbers in favor of a higher number of students paying in state tuition, and you'll soon see the tuition rates climb even higher.

    No easy answer but I don't see the trend stopping any time soon.
     
  18. tug_boat

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    How sad! I would be mad as heck if I was subsidizing my state's public universities and found this was happening! I may have to do some digging around. Eye opening article.
     
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    Where do you get these numbers and conclusions from?

    I know of several out of state students who go to my state university and pay less money than if they went to their own home state university (scholarship). My son was offered a scholarship to an out of state university making it a far more affordable option than our home state university.

    What is very disturbing is that our home state university offers far more academic scholarship money to out of state students than residents. In point of fact, my friend's daughter pays more than her out of state roommate at our state university. The daughter was in the top 10 of her class and an excellent academic and participatory record. Our state doesn't offer any real money to stellar resident academic performers. They use it on out of state students.
     

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