College Grades?

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  1. Exar Ganis

    Exar Ganis Member

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    Hey guys, I'm trying to figure out the importance of college grades. What are they exactly used for? I was told by a couple of ROTC grads that they never had to pull out their college transcript once, unless they were going for their master's degree. Once one retires from the military (ROTC or Academy), are they expected to show their college transcripts to private businesses, or government job employers?

    What if one does not plan to go in the military? After receiving their BA from lets say the University of California, and when they apply for a job, do your college grades play a role in employment?

    Thank you for the insight
     
  2. Pima

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    You will create a resume when you leave the military, just as any civilian would. The longer out and more degrees you have the less important your undergrad gpa is. If you go to govt contractors, they want to know if you have a masters, and all of the positions you have held.

    If you don't go into the military, of course your Gpa matters, but typically they do not ask for the trasncripts. Most new hires out of reputable colleges, they have companies that will recurit in your sr yr on campus, thus, they know you are graduating and typically ask for the GPA, but not the transcript. I would believe if you try for something like the FBI, CIA DOD, they will know your transcript due to a security background check.

    BTW remember your GPA at the SA plays an important role in your selection process chances. The higher the GPA, better chances of getting what you want
     
  3. Exar Ganis

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    Does anyone know any scholarship rules about when to start? Does AROTC allow applicants to enroll in the Spring if a PMS chooses to give an applicant one. What about NROTC and AFROTC scholarships. They are more centralized so I don't know much about them. Thanks.
     
  4. momoftwins

    momoftwins Founding Member

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    I've been recruiting new college graduates for many years. Every company I have worked for insists on receiving an official transcript. If there is a discrepency, applicants are dropped from consideration.

    Also, your records will follow you for your lifetime. Companies have vendors that conduct background checks. These checks include verification of your graduation and the date, your major and the college in which you were enrolled, and could ask for gpa. I have rescinded offers or eliminated candidates who misrepresented themselves. Any company worth working for would do exactly the same. There is no gray in these matters.

    Now, if you'd like to talk about drug screens and college seniors, I have some great stories...:oops::stupid1:
     
  5. live4ever

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    Hi Exar Ganis,

    If I understand correctly, you are a USMA class of 2012 candidate?
    I have seen some of your posts on and off. You seem to be concerned about a lot random things. But why in the world would you go through the trouble of applying to USMA and (AROTC??) colleges and then not do your best.:confused: I mean just for the sake of even your own satisfaction... If you are applying to USMA you must be a good student, why would you change that and become mediocre. I really don't see the point. Now maybe i am not quite following you, but you need to take a serious look at what you are trying to achieve in life. Only you know that. You don't have to pretend to be anything you are not.
     
  6. bruno

    bruno Retired Staff Member

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    I'm kind of scratching my head trying to figure the significance of this question- for a guy with as I understand it an appointment to USMA for this summer this is strange- especially combined with all of your questions about transferring for the spring semester. I really think that you ought to consider another school as your first choice and give the appointment to someone who is chomping at the bit to be a soldier- there are about 10,000 unselected candidates for the class of 2012 so- do them a favor and don't waste the slot.
    The short answer to your question is: my company will ask for your transcript when they are hiring a young engineer recently out of school. After you have developed a reasonable professional resume- the transcript won't matter as much. It will matter again if you apply to grad school. In the Army- it will matter a lot just because your class rank will dictate your choices of branch assignment. If you have your heart set on a branch and a duty assignment - then you need to have a solid record up front.


     
  7. Exar Ganis

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    I'll do what I want to be prepared. I didn't actually get any feed back about my question in regards to the AROTC scholarships. The answers you gave me were already answered by Pima, but thank you all for touching up on that.

    Also, there are a lot of options out there for everyone if they want to become a "soldier". The academy is not the only way, and I think I earned my right to be there. If you were paying attention, I said I WON'T drop out. The academics and physical aspects doesn't worry me at all.
     
  8. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    "The academy is not the only way, and I think I earned my right to be there. If you were paying attention, I said I WON'T drop out. The academics and physical aspects doesn't worry me at all."


    I agree with most of this. There is more than one way to become a soldier and and officer at that. You have earned your right to attend, that is true, assuming you're in (and I think you are, I may have justed missed the announcement); that is half the battle. Staying in, walking across the stage and first receiving your diploma, and then commission are the end game (Academywise, of course then comes service, the true goal.)

    I would not be "worried" about the physical aspects (especially after that first summer) or so much the academics, as the time management. The demands of the day, and the required time management skills take many by surprise. I had many classmates who said "I won't drop out" and a majority of them did not, but still 1/3 did. Keep telling yourself you're not going to drop out, and really believe what you're saying. Don't "worry" about the other stuff, however, don't forget about it either.

    Do the right things, and don't sacrifice your honor...you should be fine. I don't doubt my school was any different from any other source, people are there you help you, so let them.
     
  9. Exar Ganis

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    Thanks Line. I will make sure I will succeed there and do everything in my power to do so in the most honorable manner as possible. :thumb:

    I just thought it would be good to always have a plan b if anything went wrong. I was told that the other colleges that applicants applied to should be deferred so the following year they could have a safety in case an accident occurred. I want to do the same because I always have felt compelled to always have a backup in case plan A doesn't work out. I actually, REALLY want to go and stay there. There is no doubt about that.

    I'm assuming that AROTC scholarships can be enacted spring. I'll just leave it there since no one seems to know.
     
  10. VMINROTChopeful

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    i don't know about AROTC scholarships, but i know that for NROTC, if you don't accept, it goes away. since you accepted or will accept at USMA, i wouldn't count on your AROTC scholarship as a safety net. it most likely won't be there if and when you needed it.
     
  11. Pima

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    Same as true for AFROTC, once you do not enroll to use it, then it is all over. There is not scholarship application process for the spring, they give the money for the yr., running concurrent with the academic calendar
     
  12. Exar Ganis

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    Sorry, I see what you mean, but I didn't explain what I meant very well. I know the scholarship will be given to someone else when I matriculate. I'm actually talking about re-applying for the scholarship during the fall, to enact in the spring, instead of enacting it fall.
     
  13. Pima

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    As far as AF, they only give out for the FALL.
     
  14. Exar Ganis

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    bump, what about AROTC? Still waiting on hearing what someone has to say.
     

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