Concerned about AFROTC Enrollment Allocation

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  1. icm19

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    Hi all,
    This is my first post here. I was reading another thread about someone concerned with their chances at getting into field training 2011. My concerns are in the same vein. I just started AFROTC this year (I'm a 250) and although my stats are reasonable, I'm still concerned. I have a 3.49 gpa but this is in a non-tech double major (political science and international studies). My last pfa was a 95.3 and I doubt I'll be able to max out the next one. Best I am hoping for is a 97. Other than that, the cadre at my detachment know me fairly well but I haven't really held any leadership positions. I'm not in any of the extracurriculars like AAS or drill team. So what do you think my chances are at getting an enrollment allocation and how can I improve them? Your comments are appreciated.

    -Ian
     
  2. nick4060

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    My stats were almost the exact same last year and I had no trouble picking up an EA. Being an IS major should be too much of an issue. It wasnt for me. The only thing Id say you have working against you is the fact that youre a 250 and didnt have as long of a time to make an impression with the cadre. But you should have time at the beginning of this semester to get more face time.

    You dont have to do AAS or drill team stuff to show them youre active. Being in non-ROTC organizations, clubs, service projects are just as good. Some officers at our det actually encourage doing that stuff over the usual ROTC organizations.

    Good luck.
     
  3. Pima

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    Our DS had your exact same stats and major, the only difference is he had leadership position and AAS, but no problem getting a slot.

    I think you will be just fine.

    I agree with Nick, the commander will write a rec, and being a 250 makes it harder for him to put you above another cadet with the same stats that has been there since day one in college.

    Overall though you look strong. The gpa is good and the PFA is good too. What was your AFOQT score?
     
  4. icm19

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    I haven't taken the AFOQT yet. They haven't really given us any details as to when we do. How much does that factor in?
     
  5. Pima

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    The AFOQT factors in about as much as the PFT. It is a part of the score for the WCS.

    Our DS has been in ROTC since day one and he took it in Oct of his freshman yr, maybe for 250s they don't place that into their score.

    I don't know, that is something someone else could tell you on this board, or maybe you should ask the det.

    I know you will need it for your AFSC board, thus, maybe you will take it next yr.
     
  6. icm19

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    Well either way thank you for easing some of my concerns about EAs. I'm still nervous about them but by the sound of it, I at least have a fighting chance of getting one in this extremely competitive year.
     
  7. Pima

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    I think you are fine, really.

    Yes, it is competitive, but that gpa is really going to help even if it is in a non-tech field, plus you have a strong PFT.

    Just talk to at least your POC, they have been there for a while and they can tell you how it shook out last yr for the cadets in the det. That will give you more to go by than any of us.

    For ex:

    DS goes to a large university with a large det. The cadets that did not get EA had a gpa below 3.2

    Now, with Nick, he goes to 1 of the 7 universities that has a CoC, their stats were different because they have a Corps.

    In the end it is a WCS, what they do is take every cadet eligible to a board, they know how many slots they have and score them nationally. From there above that line you go, below and you don't.

    That is the thing about AFROTC it is a nationalistic approach.

    Our DS is the FCC for C200's preparing them for SFT. The one thing he told me is there will not be a Maxwell 6 this yr, the numbers will be the same attending, but they will just now have more flights for 1-5.

    The problem 13 is facing is it is a bigger yr group than 12, which means statistically less will be accepted. 14 is probably going to have the same % as 12, and I would bet 15 will be a higher acceptance rate because less were accepted than 14.

    There is no harm in asking for a one on one with the command after you talk to your FCC if you are still concerned. All that says to them is you care and you are dedicated.

    Just remember there is a difference of being a nudge and being pro-active. You don't want to be a nudge.
     
  8. icm19

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    When do we know if we have an enrollment allocation or not? They haven't really clarified this at my detachment.
     
  9. kevster

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    In regards to the AFOQT I believe 200 & 250s should be taking it pretty soon. Our det takes it on the Jan the 12th this year so I would assume that other dets would be taking theirs pretty soon. Also I believe that IMTs are no longer allowed to take the AFOQT which really stinks if you put in power hours studying over the summer. Not sure why.....but like most sage professional athletes will say ..... "it is what it is." :cool:
     
  10. kevster

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    Oh and yes like everyone has been saying your stats look very solid. Way to work hard! :thumb:

    If you dont mind me asking what school/det are you at??
     
  11. bebj04

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    I am a 250 and my stats are making me nervous. I have a 3.1 GPA and a 94.6 PFA with hopes to get it at least a few points higher. I also did Drill team this past semester and I plan to do Arnold Air Society this semester. I am involved and try very hard but I still feel like my chances are slim for an enrollment allocation. Does anyone have an idea of what my chances are like for getting one with these stats and my involvement?
     
  12. kevster

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    Assuming that your are involved and well liked by your cadre ..... I wouldn't be too worried. 3.1 is close to the cut off for our det but assuming that your not lounging around with minimal involvement you should be able to compete well. Have you met with your O-6 to voice your concerns? It couldn't hurt to let him/her know.
     
  13. icm19

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    I'm at det 645 at OSU.
     
  14. bebj04

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    @ kevster

    I have spoken to my O-6 and I will have semester counseling with him again this week. I got another chance at the PFA and increased my score from a 94.6 to a 96.2. To clairfy, my GPA is a 3.19 so does that .09 make a difference? And with Drill Team and the position of adjutant this semester I hope that those leadership roles can help my chances, what are your thoughts?
     
  15. Pima

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    Kevster's advice is on the mark, BUT, one point is missing. Every ROTC board is national. A 3.1 at his college for an engineering major maybe a shoe in, but for another college it isn't.

    Boards look at boards like scholarships...GPA, PFT, academic rigor, school profile, ECs, all go into the equation.

    3.19 tech will carry more wt than 3.19 non-tech regarding the avg college.
     
  16. southmom

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    The selection criteria for POC/field training are:

    RSS (Commander’s Ranking) 50 percent
    Cumulative GPA 20 percent
    PFT 15 percent
    SAT-R 15 percent

    I know the commander’s ranking is worth 50 points. Are commander’s rankings standardized across all ROTC detachments, or are they completely subjective and up to each commander?
     
  17. kevster

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    Well yes I would say a 3.19 is better than a 3.1. Not sure how big a difference it will make but it sure isn't gonna hurt. PFA looks solid. I believe its 10% of the EA composite so you have a 9.6% now instead of a 9.4%. Once again not huge but every little bit helps. As a freshman I base my opinions off of the information that I have gleaned from my cadre and upperclassmen. With that being said you look like you are a fairly solid candidate. I think EAs packages are sent out sometime next month so I would just keep going strong. Keep us posted! :thumb:
     
  18. kevster

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    Academic rigor and school profile? I have actually never heard of these being factors for an EA. Can you elaborate on these. Academic rigor = Tech vs. Non tech? School Profile = graduation rates and school rankings?
     
  19. Pima

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    Academic rigor would also go under tech vs non-tech. School profile would be something in regards to the det. For example VT has CoC, UMDCP does not.
    ERAU is known to get the 2nd most pilot slots, mainly due to the size of the det., and it being an engineering school.
     
  20. Redpin320

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    Hey all,

    I'm nervous about the EA selection just like everyone else, I was hoping someone could shed some light on my current situation.

    I go to ERAU, a pretty huge det. Our FTP Prep group has less than 60 200/250s now. Last year there were 2200 EAs, our Det had 52/65 200s go. This year, we're looking at 1800 EAs, since Max-6 was cancelled.

    Here are my stats:
    GPA: 2.95 Aerospace Engineering (Technical)
    PFA: 99
    AFOQT: Mid to high 80s in all categories
    Commanders Rank: High middle third

    I talked to my COC about this and he has no idea how these stats would play out given the reduced numbers, and I remain insanely anxious. Mainly because I'm on a 3 year scholarship and if I don't make it, I won't only have to deal with getting kicked but I'll also have to figure out how to pay for school!

    Our COC and O-6 said tech majors do have an edge, and ERAU consistently beats national averages like we did with EAs last year. However the only real danger comes from my GPA, although it is technical, the O-6 weighs GPA heavily.

    Any help/insight would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!!!
     

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