Conditional Appointment Question

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  1. CGA Mom - Hopeful

    CGA Mom - Hopeful Member

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    My son received his letter with a conditional appointment pending a "Body Measurement Form" completion.

    Just wondering if admissions can give us some insight as to whether or not this could hurt his chances for a full appointment...

    He is a 3 season varsity athlete (football lineman, hockey goalie, and lacrosse defensemen) and VERY athletic/muscular so his height/weight is over the guidelines by < 10 LBS using the straight height/weight measurments...

    I measured his wrist and it looks like he is within the guidelines for his body frame

    Any insight will be helpful...very excited but also concerned that all his hard work may be for nothing if he is denied because of his athletic build...
     
  2. Luigi59

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    Of course it could hurt his chances - if "the condition" is NOT fulfilled or satisfied, there is no appointment.

    A conditional appointment is exactly that - - upon satisfaction or fulfillment of "the condition" a full appointment will be granted.

    Your son is not unique, there are plenty of cadets and swabs with "athletic builds" that meet the weight standards using the body measurements.
     
  3. CGA Mom - Hopeful

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    Wow...was not saying my son is "unique" was just looking for a little help from admissions..

    He attended AIM and more than passed the PFE
     
  4. DevilDog

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    My son was also a 3 sport athlete. He had the same issues with USAFA and USNA. I think he sent DODMERB an eamil stating that, then had a physical, and the height/weight requirement was waived. If they did not do this, how would they get 250 pound linemen into any of the academies? I imagine CGA would do the same as USNA and USAFA. Good luck.
     
  5. CGA Mom - Hopeful

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    Thanks so much....my husband said the same thing...how would they even have a football team...
     
  6. Luigi59

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    Not sure why you are reacting so "shocked" to my straightforward information. :confused:

    It wasn't a knock at your son or you, just a statement of fact that there are many others at USCGA who are not within the limits of the Standard Weight Chart but who are qualified using the BMI form instead,

    Don't be so shocked (Wow) to hear that he or his situation is not unique.
     
  7. bossf51

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    L59 I think the problem is you come on kind of strong with parents who are in a confused/worried state at this time in their childrens' lives. I know we have kidded back and forth at times but I think you need to show a little more tact. You are a tremendous asset on here, you know more about the process than anybody other than maybe Objee.

    I know you are trying to be realistic but sometimes you come across a little harsh. My two cents.:eek:
     
  8. USNA1982BGO

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    To ease the conversation and for the sake of Luigi, what he states is true (blunt as it might be and as difficult it may be to hear).
    Cadets, as well as active duty Officers and Enlisted personnel must meet weight standards. There was one case in point during our eldest cadets tenure at USCGA where in fact a cadet was dis-enrolled for exceeding weight standards and yes, they were a football player.
    I do know that there have been cases in the past where the wrist measurement has been taken, but as I state, that was in the past.
    We have heard through the active duty grapevine that weight standards are being taken very seriously as well as PFE scores in the fleet.
    You will notice that football players, as well as others that take part in Varsity sports at SA's are not as large as their civilian college peers; the point is not to attend a SA to 'play a sport or be a top athlete' (though that is a perk). The point of attending a SA is point blank to prepare yourself to become a military officer and serve your Nation.
    Your son has a "Conditional Appointment" and any candidate, at any SA, who receives such an appointment MUST show proof that they have met the conditions of that appointment or the appointment is rescinded. Thus, the Conditional.

    PS: They may waive you for acceptance, but the cadet/mid must still be within weight standards for graduation and commissioning.
     
  9. green4life

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    Standards

    Not wanting to miss out on the height/weight bruhaha (imbroiglio?) maybe someone could send a link to the standard for our collective reference.


    Thanks
    -Russ
    Dad of 3.
     
  10. Luigi59

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    Alcoast 469/08
    comdtnote 1020
    subj: October 2008 semi-annual weigh-in and future revised maximum
    allowable weight and body fat standards
    a. Weight and body fat manual, comdtinst m1020.8 (series)
    1. The purpose of this alcoast is three-fold: To remind personnel
    about, and emphasize the importance of, the current weight program,
    to announce a future implementation of body-mass index (bmi)-based
    weight standards, and to announce a future reduction to the maximum
    allowable body fat percentage.
    2. The coast guard weight and body fat standards exist to ensure
    members are capable of meeting coast guard operational needs
    and challenges, are fit for duty, and that their appearance
    reflects credit upon themselves, the coast guard, and the united
    states.
    3. For the october 2008 semi annual weigh-in, commands are
    reminded to ensure all members understand the cg weight and
    body fat standards program, promote healthy lifestyle choices at
    their units, and enforce development of basic fitness plans.
    Commands shall ensure all weigh-ins are conducted with integrity
    and professionalism, as outlined in ref a, and entered into direct
    access no later than 15 november 2008.
    4. On 1 october 2009, the coast guard will advance its goal of
    promoting health and fitness in our service by adopting a maximum
    allowable weight (maw) standard based on body mass index (bmi).
    Additionally, in concert with the department of defense, maximum
    body fat standards will be reduced by one percentage point for all
    cg personnel, regardless of age or gender.
    5. Bmi is a number calculated from a persons weight and height.
    It provides a reliable indicator of body fatness and is used to
    screen for weight categories that may lead to health problems. It
    is recognized by the centers for disease control (cdc) as one of
    the best methods for population assessment of obesity corresponding
    to risk for disease. Dod adopted the max bmi of 27.5 in their
    physical fitness and body fat program after evidence-based research
    revealed it to be a well-established tool for determining healthy
    weight ranges.
    6. Revised maw (based on bmi of 27.5, regardless of age or
    gender):
    Height (inches) weight (lbs)
    58 131
    59 136
    60 141
    61 145
    62 150
    63 155
    64 160
    65 165
    66 170
    67 175
    68 180
    69 186
    70 191
    71 197
    72 202
    73 208
    74 214
    75 220
    76 225
    77 231
    78 237
    79 244
    80 250
    7. Revised maximum allowable body fat (bf):
    Age percent bf (male) percent bf (female)
    less than 30 22 32
    less than 40 24 34
    over 40 26 36
    8. The following timeline outlines the implementation plan:
    A. September 2008: Alcoast announcement of the 1 october 2009
    change to weight and body fat standards. Cg-1111 and cg-1221, with
    the assistance of pre-selected volunteer units, will beta-test the
    new standards during the october 2008 weigh-in period.
    Administrative lessons learned from these beta-tests, and any
    required procedural changes, will be incorporated and promulgated
    as necessary.
    B. April 2009: During the semi-annual weigh-in, members will be
    reminded of their new bmi-based maw that will take effect 1 october
    2009. In addition to current procedures, units will be required to
    screen and document all members based on bmi-based maw and new max
    body fat standards for awareness purposes. Administrative
    personnel will be required to confirm the accuracy of height
    information in direct access.
    C. 1 october 2009: New bmi-based maw and new body fat standards
    will take effect. The "my readiness" portal in cg central will be
    modified to reflect bmi, including a link to a bmi information
    site.
    9. All members are encouraged to monitor their bmi by going to
    the following website:
    http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/healthyweight/assessing/bmi/. Be
    aware that this centers for disease control website uses a bmi of
    25.0 to let you know when you are assessed as overweight and at a
    higher risk for chronic health conditions, such as high blood
    pressure, diabetes, and high cholesterol. Members seeking
    information on safe and effective weight management programs should
    access resources provided by the health promotion program through
    their unit health promotion coordinator or regional health
    promotion manager.
    10. Additonal information will be distributed throughout the year
    on cg central and the work-life website.
    11. Commands with questions regarding this policy change are
    encouraged to contact their respective administrative office or
    regional health promotion manager (rhpm) for clarification. Rhpms
    with questions regarding health promotion may contact ms. Aimee
    labrecque, comdt (cg-1111), at 202-475-5153. Administrative
    personnel with questions regarding policy may contact ltjg frank
    marcheski, comdt (cg-1221), at (202)475-5382.
    12. Released by rdml daniel a. Neptun, director of personnel
    management.
    13. Internet release is authorized.
     
  12. CGA Mom - Hopeful

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    Thanks Everyone

    Thanks Boss51...could not have said it better myself..

    Thanks for all the other helpful information as well....spoke with Admissions Office today and feeling much better about their request for wrist and neck measurements....

    My son is SOLELY looking to serve his country and if he gets to play a club sport while serving...that would be great..but that is not his priority...
     
  13. green4life

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    wow

    after reading through this....I would not encourage S to walk-on for football, but to keep with swimming. He has a good sized frame and will be a great addition to any IM FB team though, can throw a sweet ball.

    I think i may be ahead of myself. Still awaiting mail.

    Thanks Much, Luigi.
     

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