Congressional Waiver
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I am not sure anyone can assist. I have never heard of a Congressional waiver for AFOQT. I am going to assume that you ask them to step in and force HQ AFROTCs decision to be overridden by your MoC.
I have heard of cadets/officers to request what is called Exception To Policy (ETP), but it is rare to get an ETP, especially as a cedet. The reason why is many fold.
1. MoCS don't like to get involved unless there is some true reason/proof to get involved.
~ They know that this decision did not come down to disenroll you from an O5 at your unit, but it went up the chain to HQ AFROTC,
2. The MoC will be shown that you did fail it twice. 4 points or 1 point, the pool of AFROTC cadets passing still is more than enough for ADAF manpower needs come 2017
~ What will be your defense of why they should give you a third shot? If the MoC said yes, they will get involved, how will you convince them that you will pass it this time. Not only pass it, but be a superstar?
Failing it twice means two different pools were stronger than you. Many cadets do not take the AFOQT more than once, thus they could see it as two year groups that you competed against during this exam.
I am sorry if this seems harsh. I get you are trying every path, and you should. I am just saying if you go down this path of ETP, what is your defense of why the MoC should do it, since right now all you are is a cadet, that is not even a POC yet. I can see if this was something to request if you were a POC about to commission in a few weeks with an insanely high cgpa from MIT going as a Missileer, but right now they don't even have a guarantee you will graduate from SFT and become a PoC.
Go for it because you can't live with a What if, but when you do just be prepared to defend your position of why when they have enough commissioning via AFROTC and OCS to fight with HQ to overturn their decision.
I have heard of cadets/officers to request what is called Exception To Policy (ETP), but it is rare to get an ETP, especially as a cedet. The reason why is many fold.
1. MoCS don't like to get involved unless there is some true reason/proof to get involved.
~ They know that this decision did not come down to disenroll you from an O5 at your unit, but it went up the chain to HQ AFROTC,
2. The MoC will be shown that you did fail it twice. 4 points or 1 point, the pool of AFROTC cadets passing still is more than enough for ADAF manpower needs come 2017
~ What will be your defense of why they should give you a third shot? If the MoC said yes, they will get involved, how will you convince them that you will pass it this time. Not only pass it, but be a superstar?
Failing it twice means two different pools were stronger than you. Many cadets do not take the AFOQT more than once, thus they could see it as two year groups that you competed against during this exam.
I am sorry if this seems harsh. I get you are trying every path, and you should. I am just saying if you go down this path of ETP, what is your defense of why the MoC should do it, since right now all you are is a cadet, that is not even a POC yet. I can see if this was something to request if you were a POC about to commission in a few weeks with an insanely high cgpa from MIT going as a Missileer, but right now they don't even have a guarantee you will graduate from SFT and become a PoC.
Go for it because you can't live with a What if, but when you do just be prepared to defend your position of why when they have enough commissioning via AFROTC and OCS to fight with HQ to overturn their decision.
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You are asking for an Exception, asking your congressman to override an Air Force decision. Did the AF make a mistake by not allowing you to take it for a THIRD time?
Consider the USAFA cadets in their 4* or 3* year who have to meet an academic board, and are then released for failure to succeed academically. Should each of them get a waiver? Should each of them clog the system requesting such waivers? The AF doesn't need to give exceptions to cadets. Did you have some extreme hardship? (parent gravely ill?)
What do you have that will convince your Congressman to fight for you as a cadet who has yet to even attend SFT?
Consider the USAFA cadets in their 4* or 3* year who have to meet an academic board, and are then released for failure to succeed academically. Should each of them get a waiver? Should each of them clog the system requesting such waivers? The AF doesn't need to give exceptions to cadets. Did you have some extreme hardship? (parent gravely ill?)
What do you have that will convince your Congressman to fight for you as a cadet who has yet to even attend SFT?
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Pima
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I feel you may feel like you are being beaten up right now.
I hope you take to heart that this is not personal. This is business.
The military is a business, whether we want to say it or not. They have a budget, mission, and promotion requirements, just like any Fortune 500 company.
If you agree with this/my premise, what would you classify the MoC as in your situation? Board of Directors? How would the Board decide?
The MoCs impo are the members of the Board. You are asking them to overrule the decision of the CEO (HQAFROTC)
I want you to get your dream, and I hope you do, but I wonder ....
Have you even talked to a recruiter for OCS yet? ANG? You can still be an officer before pulling the Congressional card.
Just me this option would be not even on my radar.
~~ Okay maybe on the radar if I had an MOC in, and even at that point I would feel uncomfortable.
You are asking them to defend you. I am not saying don't go for it, but if you do, remember it is not only your arse on the line if you get the #3 shot, it is their arse too....they used their clout with HQ AFROTC to get you that the shot.
No pressure.
Sorry, that is the truth.
I hope you take to heart that this is not personal. This is business.
The military is a business, whether we want to say it or not. They have a budget, mission, and promotion requirements, just like any Fortune 500 company.
If you agree with this/my premise, what would you classify the MoC as in your situation? Board of Directors? How would the Board decide?
The MoCs impo are the members of the Board. You are asking them to overrule the decision of the CEO (HQAFROTC)
I want you to get your dream, and I hope you do, but I wonder ....
Have you even talked to a recruiter for OCS yet? ANG? You can still be an officer before pulling the Congressional card.
Just me this option would be not even on my radar.
~~ Okay maybe on the radar if I had an MOC in, and even at that point I would feel uncomfortable.
You are asking them to defend you. I am not saying don't go for it, but if you do, remember it is not only your arse on the line if you get the #3 shot, it is their arse too....they used their clout with HQ AFROTC to get you that the shot.
No pressure.
Sorry, that is the truth.
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