Controversy of Cadet Group Photo -- Reactions from West Pointers?

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  1. GoSox

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    Quite frankly, I don't understand all the fuss over it. Simply a group of fine cadets trying to have some fun before finals. There's very little that doesn't offend people nowadays...
     
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    How do you know they are "fine cadets?" Because they are graduating? We will never know their true intent, but had the photograph been of white women graduates only, excluding all other graduating females we would have seen protests probably.

    Our nation will never be united if we keep segregating ourselves into groups like this. Promoting only one race is bound to irritate the others. There are plenty of rich people of color and plenty of poor white folk, and vice versa.

    We need to band together and ignore color and religious differences. If I'm ever in a fox hole under fire, I don't care what color my partner is, I want him or her to have my back, and I'll do the same.

    I do find that photo in poor taste. If they were hugging and smiling, celebrating, then hoorah. To raise fists and glare indicates anger, not celebration. They all received a world class education without tuition, and even though they have a service obligation, should feel gratitude and realize that they can be role models for thousands of young kids. Hopefully the message they send will be to work hard, succeed and serve. Not get your education and rise up agains the establishment.

    I liked the other version of their photo better, and it will inspire some young black girls, but still feel that grouping according to color is basically wrong.
     
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    The alternate photo...

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    How do you know they aren't fine cadets? That should always be the assumption unless there's evidence to the contrary. This photo is hardly evidence.

    I wish I could say I'm shocked that the old trope has come out..."If this had been whites excluding blacks blah blah blah". If this had been whites excluding blacks the photo could be titled "business as usual in American education for two plus centuries."

    This whole concept is one you should probably come off of permanently. "If we keep segregating ourselves." You mean like overwhelmingly disenfranchising minorities with laws to prevent the scourge of non-existent voter fraud? Or police overwhelmingly shooting young black males without cause? Of three quarters of our prison inmates being black? Or maybe telling black women they can't take a photo with their fists raised (regardless of what their actual intent may have been) at a place where we still somehow think it's okay to make black cadets live LEE BARRACKS.

    This is the worst kind of white revisionism. "Hey now all you coloreds...if you REALLY cared about being treated like equals, you'd stop looking out for one another and just play by our rules...come on now, blacks...if you weren't so racist you'd trust the system that has systematically failed you for 240 years!"

    Yes, they have a service obligation. They have an obligation to uphold the values of western democracy...a democracy that has continually told black Americans, female Americans, and especially black women, that they are always just a little bit "less than." This forum is another great example, with a bunch of old white dads suddenly terribly concerned about military personnel policy because a few vaginas dared to saunter in and say "I'm pretty sure I can do this to, so watch me do it."

    This photo is a tempest in a teapot stirred up by white people who are aghast that these 20-something members of a generation that is tired of inheriting a legacy of shame and societal failure dared to raise a fist. If it was a group of white women no one would care what the politics behind it were...we wouldn't even ask...we'd assume they meant "go team" and move on. Instead these women are somehow the next Malcolm X because they raised their fists?

    This photo tells us more about the people viewing it than it does about the women in it.
     
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    It is my understanding that groups such as sports teams, brigade members and company members usually get together for these photo opts at the old Barracks. Do these women come from the same sports team/company or are they from various parts of the corp? We should not separate us as humans-we are humans and humans have all different traits that makes us special. We need to stop labeling (not that you heritage is not important) but we are a melting pot of the world with American values and traditions(yes traditions have changed but don't inflame the old bad traditions remember them - so as to not to do it again).
     
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    Good grief. If you tried to be any more politically correct you'd probably be on the ballot for 2016.
     
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    Our society is hypersensitive. I recall a group of VMI or Citdal cadets getting in trouble because they dressed up in a custom that resembled KKK. Perhaps it was their intention or being cadets and having no access to a Party City, they improvised.

    Unless these female cadets speak out, we will never know why these female cadets poses like that. Some of us don't and rightlfuly so don't thank about all the unintended consequences of our actions. Recall an Internet article about a kindergarten teacher getting fired for winning a twerking contest. I could go either way, but i doubt when the teacher enter the contest she thought it could lead to her getting fired.

    a picture is worth thousand words, but sometimes they don't tell the whole story.
     
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    I vote for him.
     
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    Looks suspiciously like "Hands up, don't shoot".
     
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    The circus this photo stirred up is astonishing...and I find it very sad. I believe the reaction to the photo is much more disturbing than the photo itself.
     
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    If you tried to be anymore obtuse about racism, Trump would have a running mate.
     
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    Dear lord.
     
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    OH YEAH?
     
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    It looks like cadets holding on to the ends of their sabers that they have placed across the back of their shoulders, to me.
     
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    [QUOTE="scoutpilot, post: 489566, member: 6649"

    This whole concept is one you should probably come off of permanently. "If we keep segregating ourselves." You mean like overwhelmingly disenfranchising minorities with laws to prevent the scourge of non-existent voter fraud? Or police overwhelmingly shooting young black males without cause? Of three quarters of our prison inmates being black? in it.
     
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    My understanding is that the women cadets be interviewed, & if it was a political statement made in uniform, (which is against the rules of USMA) it be dealt with appropriately...The article states that these women have said through others, that were not making a political statement...I believe that everyone should let the investigation should play out before rushing to judgement...
     
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    k2rider, I'm with Scout on this one.
     
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    This investigation should be given a high priority...as soon as they finish investigating all the "Call Me Maybe" parodies done by active duty personnel.
     
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    The article quotes a mentor who has spoken to the group about why they shot a photo of all black women with their fists in the air. They were doing it to say "Beyonce". What exactly does does saying "Beyonce" mean? Does it mean black women pride? Or are they really resonating with the controversial statements and songs that the performer affirms? Seems pretty racist to me. I think it definitely warrants a talk to for each of the participants about doing such potentially racially divisive things while in uniform.
     
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