Cross Commissioning

Yes, I bet it's tough enough keeping your grades up...
Anesthesiology would be a great way to go if available. If one tries to aim for medical school (like you did) is there any way to know if one can also go for UPT as a fallback? or can you only know one thing or another?
 
Yes. In fact, my AFSC is pilot. I would lose it if I accept medical school next Spring. Medical school is my fallback if I don't get ENJJPT.
 
Alright-that's good. I'm guessing that, with your GPA, you already have a good chance at getting ENJJPT. Congrats, looks like you've used your Academy education well.:thumb:
 
ENJJPT is a type of UPT. it's Euro-NATO Joint Jet Pilot Training, and encomposes students and instructors from other nations. it specializes in fighters and bombers (virtually no cargo).

UPT (undergraduate pilot training) is at the other 4 bases, and splits into all 3 categories.
 
eagle36 said:
ENJJPT is a type of UPT. it's Euro-NATO Joint Jet Pilot Training, and encomposes students and instructors from other nations. it specializes in fighters and bombers (virtually no cargo).

UPT (undergraduate pilot training) is at the other 4 bases, and splits into all 3 categories.
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So you go to ENJJPT instead of UPT? How do you get one or the other? I take it if you wanted fighter jets, ENJJPT would be the way to go.
 
packermatt7 said:
So you go to ENJJPT instead of UPT? How do you get one or the other? I take it if you wanted fighter jets, ENJJPT would be the way to go.
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Correct. Only 45 slots are awarded to the class of 2010 for ENJJPT, anyone less than the top 80 doesn't have much of a shot at getting it. Only the top people will get it.
 
so fighter wise is it mainly the 15, 16, and maybe eventually some 35's thrown in there? because we aren't selling the 22 to anyone...
 
btown13 said:
so fighter wise is it mainly the 15, 16, and maybe eventually some 35's thrown in there? because we aren't selling the 22 to anyone...
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F15C, F15E, F16, A-10. Count on those for SOME time to come.

Well...also the MQ-1/2, MQ-9.
 
My understanding from briefings here though is that even if you get the MQ-1/2/9, since they require training in dropping bombs, your follow-on aircraft will be a fighter or a bomber since permanent UAV fields aren't in place yet. What have you heard flieger? I figure a pilot would have more info on what's going on there.
 
i was talking to a friend there now, and in a class of roughly 20, he metnioned the following breakdown (roughly)

3 fighters
5 UAVs
3 Spec Ops


i'm guessing the rest are bombers. so it is a UPT training, just a different type. it's at Sheppard instead of Laughlin, Columbus, vance, Pensacola, or Whiting Field
 
hornetguy said:
My understanding from briefings here though is that even if you get the MQ-1/2/9, since they require training in dropping bombs, your follow-on aircraft will be a fighter or a bomber since permanent UAV fields aren't in place yet. What have you heard flieger? I figure a pilot would have more info on what's going on there.
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Well...here's the "who knows" part...

The AF hasn't said. Also..."training to drop bombs..." is a no-brainer, sorry to burst the bubble. FYI...the AF's first class of "non rated" UAV pilots are training and there will be more.

And they drop the bombs, fire the missiles, etc.

My "guess" is that right now...there's probably lots of talk about "...okay, you were at Sheppard, fighter/bomber track...now to a UAV...well, after that tour, we'll put you in a fighter or bomber." And I would believe that...right up until the orders come down for a different type of airframe. Remember, as more and more UAV's come online, we'll need more and more pilots THERE, not in cockpits.

Oh, and here's something to consider: what about enlisted pilots? The AF doesn't use them; the USA does....something to think about. Great article here: http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2008/12/airforce_enlisted_uas3_122108/

But "out here" what I'm hearing is "nobody knows."

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83
 
They don't want to flat-out insult enlisted personnel. It's understandable.

But UAV training should be left up to officers. Especially since they can be just as dangerous as our current F-16s
 
Bombtrack said:
They don't want to flat-out insult enlisted personnel. It's understandable.

But UAV training should be left up to officers. Especially since they can be just as dangerous as our current F-16s
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Bombtrack, do you know the reason for having officers flying and not enlisted? I just wanted to hear the outside understanding before I post why (of flieger).
 
hornetguy said:
Bombtrack, do you know the reason for having officers flying and not enlisted? I just wanted to hear the outside understanding before I post why (of flieger).
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I could guess, but I really don't know.
 
Quick correction there flieger83; the US Army uses Warrant Officers for pilots - not enlisted. While some enlisted soldiers are promoted to a Warrant Officer one does not have to have been an enlisted soldier to join as a Warrant Officer.
 
I believe he is referring to enlisted personnel flying UASes, not fully rated pilots. The AF is the only branch that still requires commissioned officers to fly UASes.
 
Just_A_Mom said:
Quick correction there flieger83; the US Army uses Warrant Officers for pilots - not enlisted. While some enlisted soldiers are promoted to a Warrant Officer one does not have to have been an enlisted soldier to join as a Warrant Officer.
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Uh, no...I'm referring to US Army UAS pilots. They are enlisted. And starting late this fall, they will be flying a UAV that carries 300+ more lbs weaponry than the MQ-9 Reaper.
 
hornetguy said:
Bombtrack, do you know the reason for having officers flying and not enlisted? I just wanted to hear the outside understanding before I post why (of flieger).
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Hornetguy, what is your take on this? I'm interested.
 
I've been told that, legally, only an officer can authorize a kill order or to drop bombs. I can't remember the specifics off the top of my head (had it in class about a year ago), but that was what I was told. Flieger, do you have any knowledge on the subject?
 
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