Curent Cadre ?? Re: Luggage Clarification for I-Day

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  1. FalconsRock

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    Any current cadre -:help: (you can laugh if you want as I know it may be a silly question) but we are confused about the I-day check in. The In-processing checklist instructions are as follows:

    Items to hand-carry inside the manila envelope:

    All Paperwork etc.

    Items to hand-carry on your person (wearing on your person, in your wallet/billfold, or in a small bag or tote):
    SSN card, photo ID, Orthodontic retainers, essential medications, ABU boots, proof of citizenship

    Items to pack in your luggage (you will not need these items during in-processing):
    8 white sports bras and twelve pair white briefs
    Feminine hygiene products, toothbrush, toothpaste, dental floss, shampoo and soap, deodorant, cell phone, molded cleats, stationery and stamps.

    The manila envelop easy and done. The way we read the other two is that one should be a backpack to carry wallet, etc. and ABU boots and then another small gym bag perhaps for the other items. It is understood that the tote/backpack will be carried all day in left hand while in-processing. What happens to the other bag with the items not needed for in-processing? Are they collected and left somewhere to pick up later? Must they also be carried around? If they have to be carried around, can we just put ALL items in one small duffle or gym bag? What is the right answer????:confused:
     
  2. Opus

    Opus USAFA '18

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    Do your best to place all items you're bringing into one bag. If you bring two bags, you'll still have to carry both in one hand, as you can't leave bags behind anywhere.
     
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  3. 2018DAD

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    One bag with only those items specifically mentioned. Remember two things: 1) You will be carrying it for the better part of the day in your left hand (read this again!) 2) Anything else you need will be issued to you, if not issued, you don't need it! Later, after A-Day and Parents Weekend you will have better idea of what else you can have, will be allowed to have, both very squadron dependent.
    Right now you are joining the military and starting basic training...not heading off to summer camp or State U!!
     
  4. FalconsRock

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    2018 Dad, yes we know, we are not so naive as to think this is summer camp or State U. If you had read my post carefully, I was not asking about bringing additional items. My DD is only bringing the items stated on the list. The instructions were very clear on WHAT to bring, just not clear how many bags they were supposed to bring (in fact we interpreted it to be two). Thankfully, Opus was able to answer my question. She will only bring one bag and she is prepared to carry it in her left hand and fully understands that she is joining the military and that USAFA is NOT college. Aim High!
     
  5. FalconsRock

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    Thank you Opus, that is exactly the answer to my question. My DD is now prepared for I-Day. Let's go!
     
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  6. MMA19kid

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    Actually it is college...USAFA is a college first and foremost and probably a leadership laboratory secondarily. In order to function as a leadership laboratory discipline, cohesion, and teamwork are necessary. The summer program is a summer camp of sorts designed to develop those things maybe in addition to some physical fitness.
     
  7. Insider

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    You will be directed to drop off any luggage or backpacks BEFORE you enter the in-processing line. You will drop luggage and backpacks off at the luggage tent and will proceed to the "big white tent". Make sure that any items you are specifically told to have on your person are NOT in the luggage or backpack you drop off, to include your citizenship document(s) and photo ID. You will keep the manila envelope with you through the entire process.

    One of the first things you will be given is a plastic tote bag containing your UPRG. There is room in that bag for personal items you may have in your hand (and your manila envelope).

    Insider
     
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    My DD had 1 backpack and 1 large manila envelop. The only difference from what Insider stated, DD also had all her medical records due to having a waiver. That was dropped off at the AOG, so she didn't have to carry that around all day.
     
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    I have a waiver but wasn't told that I need to bring any medical records and wasn't told I had a "check on entry" status. I submitted all my records before the waiver came through. Am I supposed to bring medical records?
     
  11. Opus

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    Unless they tell you to, no. The waiver you sent in will suffice.
     
  12. FalconsRock

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    Well, I am only repeating what Professor Colonel France (Head of Astronautics) told all the new appointees at our Doolie dinner two weeks ago. He said it repeatedly to the Doolies and separately to the parents, "USAFA is not college", "It is YOUR JOB that you are being paid to do". He said it several times with an emphasis on "NOT" College. So, yes, you get a college education, but it is not college. And I certainly would not call BCT a summer camp of any sorts. I don't know of any other summer camp where students are yelled at, pushed to their limits, expected to be disciplined, and physically fit on top of it. I also don't know of any other "summer camps" where they live in tents and are put in stressful combat type environments; military camp perhaps, but summer camp? Not so sure about that. All in all, if any cadet is going to BCT expecting it to be summer camp, they are headed for a rude awakening. :)
     
  13. USAFA83GradWife

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    I suspect it depends on what the waiver was for. As Opus said, only bring what they tell you to bring.
     
  14. fencersmother

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    Some kids used to bring their SSN etc in a fanny-pack. I d on't know if that is still allowed. Do not bring anything not on the list.

    That college/not-college thing has been discussed ad nauseum. My kids got a great college education, got paid while there, and are now Captains!
     
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  15. haleym

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    USAFA's Mission Statement: To educate, train and inspire men and women to become officers of character motivated to lead the United States Air Force in service to our nation.
    Academics are important, but the objective of the institution is to produce quality officers for the United States Air Force. I am not sure about KP, but BCT is not a "summer program" for USAFA. It is meant to prepare civilians for cadet life and weed out those who are not a good fit, and there is a lot more at stake than any civilian college.
    I disagree that this topic is "played out". It is important that we acknowledge the distinction between a service academy and a top notch university. A USAFA cadet is a cadet 24/7, 365 days a year. Not exactly easy. Those who are looking into it as an option deserve to know that ahead of time.
     
  16. MMA19kid

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    It most definitely is college, this professor seems to be out of touch with the (contemporary) mission of a service academy…which is to provide a college education and leadership development in addition to some physical training but the first two are the bulk of the purpose of any service academy.

    I doubt any part of bct including jacks valley accurately simulates any type of combat to any degree because there's a good chance that many of these kids won't see real combat. It's mission is most likely centered on team building and such.

    Will you be physically pushed sometimes? Yeah I got PT'd (physical punishment that I thought I couldn't handle but ultimately got through). Honestly the yelling and screaming and all is mostly theatrics designed to build mental toughness the mission there is to be able to execute under pressure.

    The point is you clearly don't understand a lot of the process including the purpose of the summer program. In many respects it is similar to summer camp. Unless you are a service academy grad you should assume you know much less than you think you do. I suggest you inform your daughter not to have that same attitude, because I know that if I was part of a cadre the first kid I would rip to shreds is the kid who thinksnhe or she knows it all and has some higher purpose than everyone else.
     
  17. MMA19kid

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    The purpose of summer training is first and foremost training. Some people may be weeded out because they came in not fully committed to what they're doing. The purpose is not to weed out those who are not a good fit. Those who are not initially a good fit but are committed should be able to make it given that they are willing to give it 100% or they wouldn't have been offered an appointment in the first place.

    Jab at KP noted...(doesn't phase me) many people I know from KP are now US Air Force officers. Many people would not be opposed to calling bct or any similar training a summer program designed to train incoming cadets.

    I never said that being a cadet 24/7 365 wasn't challenging. And I'm not sure how far between the lines of the mission statement you're reading. To educate, train, and inspire primarily in terms of the latter two items leadership development and physical fitness. In terms of the former, a well rounded college education. Those are the primary objectives and I don't see any senior official of the academy objecting to that.
     
  18. NavyHoops

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    MMA19, couple questions... Are you not at USMMA? Are you a newly minted 3/C? So what authority are you speaking on whether it is college or not? Or what USAFA summer training is like?

    Every SA has a mission and its first objective is to produce quality officers. Receiving a college education is at the core of this, but so is the physical, mental and military leadership training. We don't take ethics for the junior officer or navigation for no reason. At least at USNA, the education still is grounded in producing an educated officer with a strong STEM background rooted in Naval Engineering. You can be a straight A student at a SA, but if you can't pass the PRT, follow orders, pass the professional knowledge or suck on your summer assignments, you won't graduate. That is what makes it much more than 'just college' and I prefer to use that phrase than the other as it isn't your standard college, it's much more and that much different. So your 1 year at Kings Point qualifies you to debate with a USAF Colonel on if it's 'not college' or not?
     
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  19. wildblueyonder

    wildblueyonder USAFA '19

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    I don't usually get involved in this, but...

    "This professor" is, as FalconsRock said, the Astronautical Engineering department head. He is an O-6 and has been around the block many more times than any of us 19'ers. I personally would suggest taking anything he says very seriously.

    I would agree that Jack's is largely focused on team building and related activities. As far as combat goes, I really can't speak to that since I've never been deployed.

    Very true.

    Unless you have been through USAFA BCT, you should assume you know much less about it than you think you do.

    This is definitely true, and rather ironic for you to say, IMHO. I apologize if I sound snarky, but I think it's a little...presumptuous...to comment outspokenly on another SA's BCT when you haven't even been through it. As I'm sure you know, BCT includes a whole lot more than what is shown in the "BCT Video". I definitely respect the training you went through at USMMA, but I don't believe it would be appropriate for me to comment on the nature of your summer training program since I am not an MMA midshipman.
     
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  20. haleym

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    Those that aren't a good fit are those who are not dedicated to the mission, and I am not making a "jab" at KP. You are drawing a lot of conclusions in my words that are not there. My point is that you are not a USAFA cadet even though you seem to be making a whole lot of assumptions about the institution. I don't know much about KP because I don't go there, and I'm guessing the same could be said for you about my school. It is a college, but there is much more to it than that- a service commitment. That is something I and other cadets take seriously, and it's what distinguishes us from the rest. Cadets DO have a higher purpose that they are called to- serving our nation.
    Additionally, your disrespect towards FalconsRock is telling of your character, especially as a poster who also has no connection to USAFA. You might want to reevaluate and think about who your audience is here...
     

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