Curious can you get 2 presidentials?

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  1. Pima

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    This has no impact on me, but I am curious, if both parents are military can a cadet get 2 presidential noms, using each parent?
     
  2. STRIVE

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    While the possibility of getting two in this situation seems logical, what would be the benefit of getting two, especially from the same source? Only one nomination is required to get an appointment. Multiple nominations do not always mean a greater chance of getting in. I know a person that received two their first year applying and did not get an appointment. The second year they only had one nomination and received their appointment. As always, clear as mud. :biggrin:
     
  3. Just_A_Mom

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    While having multiple nominations can be beneficial if your name ends up on two lists - I can't see any benefit at all for having two presidential nominations. This would be redundant and a waste of resources to even apply for two.
    There is ONE list from which the Presidentials are apppointed - they are selected by merit and either you make the list or you don't.
    This is why it's important for those who have a Presidential to also seek MOC nominations.
     
  4. Christcorp

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    Agreed. While there might be 500+/- eligible individuals with a presidential nomination, the academy can only give 100 of them out for actual appointments. And it's the academy that ranks your completed application, compared to the other 499+/- with a presidential, to determine which 100 get the appointment utilizing that nomination. So, if you weren't in "their" top 100, it prob ably wouldn't matter if you had 1 or 5 presidentials. Your application didn't chance. Neither did your score. Neither did your standing in relationship to the other 500+/- presidential nominees. Later... mike....
     
  5. Mongo

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    Don't de discouraged. This is not true. Many, if not most, of the top 100 will also receive MOC nominations and, subsequently, appointments from these sources. Consequently, the appointments from Presidential nominations will work well down the list to those with no other nominations who truly need them.
     
  6. Christcorp

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    Yes and no. Nominations are definitely a "Competition" among nominators. I.e. The MOCs want you to use the Presidential nomination, so they can get an additional constituent to the academy. The academy on the other hand wants you to get the MOC nomination, so they can use the presidential nomination at their discretion; for as you said, someone who couldn't get a MOC primary nomination. So both nominations are competing with each other.

    My son finished his application on July 19th (2007). He received his presidential nomination about 2 weeks prior to that. He received the actual appointment in October. That is prior to the MOC interviews and nominations. The academy did mention that if he also got a primary MOC nomination; (Which he would have, because both senators and Rep said they'd give it to him. "Small state, we all know each other), that the academy would use that MOC nomination and pull back the presidential for someone else. (Just like Mongo said). However, the MOC's know this game too. Because my son already received the "APPOINTMENT" in October, the MOC's simply kept his name off their nomination slate. (Although, I believe one senator made him #10 just out of principle). Point being, 2 senators and 1 representative, got 7 constituents into the Air Force Academy that year. (Because they know the game too). 3 MOC, 1 Presidential, 1 Athletic, 1 LOA with ROTC, and the 7th was already at the pre-school. No bad for a state with only 1 representative and it's 2 senators.

    So definitely apply for all the nominations you can. And while the 100 presidentials won't always KEEP that nomination as the one used for their appointment, because they also received a MOC nomination and the academy can and does move the nominations around; that is totally "Their Game" to play. You have no say so on it. Just get whatever one's you can and hope for the best. later... mike....
     
  7. flieger83

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    Hi all!

    Okay, the SHORT answer:

    NO.

    The Presidential nomination is for the categories already discussed but is limited to "one per customer!"

    Now that is NOT to say that a student can't receive a PN for USAFA and USNA and USMA and USMMA...they can and many do. But only ONE per SA.

    Steve
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    USAFA '83
     
  8. Christcorp

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    The reason why it is or isn't beneficial, is irrelevant. Point is, you can't get more than 1 per academy. Thanks for the "SHORT" answer Steve. We like to provide "Commentaries" when sometimes the short answer is the most preferred. Mike....
     

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