Daily life at the academy

Casey- Believe me when I say that I'm am as hard ass as they come. Straighter than an arrow. It was a one time deal to experience the euphoria(just kidding I didnt feel a thing). I've been living my whole life based on the honor code ever since my first visit to USMA. Nothing is eer going to prevent me from showing up on R-Day.Thanks for answering my question

Then don't do stupid stuff like trying drugs. "Nothing is ever going to prevent me" is something that has gone through MANY cadets/midshipmen's minds....and then they do something stupid like "I only tried it once"... well, don't try it at all...
 
Casey- Believe me when I say that I'm am as hard ass as they come. Straighter than an arrow. It was a one time deal to experience the euphoria(just kidding I didnt feel a thing). I've been living my whole life based on the honor code ever since my first visit to USMA. Nothing is eer going to prevent me from showing up on R-Day.Thanks for answering my question

My comment wasn't directly targeting you, more of a general statement. Be honest about what you've done in the past and stick to doing things that could ruin your opportunities in the future and you're doing about as well as you could hope.

To get back to the main topic, what point in a cadet's day is focused on military training? I understand that the summers are focused on leadership development but the academic year seems to be filled with all academic and physical training and very little military training.

You have some of the military traditions, etiquette, etc that you will live with everyday considering its a military school, but as for actual training, you will not get that for the most part during the academic year as mvt93 said. The academic year is precisely about what it says it is - academics. Your goal is to stay in shape, do well in your classes, and you are put into roles that will develop you as a leader, but hands on military training is not very focused on at all. There are occasional training days or ruck marches, but this is highly dependent on your chain of command as to what you actually end up doing.
 
From what I understand, at the beginning of beast every new cadet takes a fitness test. Based upon their scores they are separated in to various groups such as black, gold, white, ect. Can someone elaborate on how the grouping process works. As well as what 2-mile time you need to run for each group.
 
yo djjon22, the fitness test is basically the apft. This consists of 2 mins of pushups, situps, and a 2 mile run. from a recent thread i posted,

BigNick said:
"You should be able to easily run 2 miles in 14 minutes-13 is better." from his son's personal experience.
But during the summer we will be doing a host of things:

hawk said
"Common themes heard from "cadet candidates" during beast last year was:
- flutter kicks / leg lifts (many had a very hard time with these)
- Pushups (many)
- Situps (many)
- Pullups (periodically, but also for your APFT)
- running- not hard if in shape. Paces were slow, largely defined as being better than apft minimums. You will take the APFT for record, so you want to be able to run at your pace.
- stair runs (many, especially 1st week)
- "Hall Lunges"- lunges done as giant steps up & down the halls. Combined with stair runs just prior to lights out

However good you are, they will find your kryptonite!!!"
 
yo djjon22, the fitness test is basically the apft. This consists of 2 mins of pushups, situps, and a 2 mile run. from a recent thread i posted,

BigNick said:
"You should be able to easily run 2 miles in 14 minutes-13 is better." from his son's personal experience.

But during the summer we will be doing a host of things:

hawk said
"Common themes heard from "cadet candidates" during beast last year was:
- flutter kicks / leg lifts (many had a very hard time with these)
- Pushups (many)
- Situps (many)
- Pullups (periodically, but also for your APFT)
- running- not hard if in shape. Paces were slow, largely defined as being better than apft minimums. You will take the APFT for record, so you want to be able to run at your pace.
- stair runs (many, especially 1st week)
- "Hall Lunges"- lunges done as giant steps up & down the halls. Combined with stair runs just prior to lights out

However good you are, they will find your kryptonite!!!"

Pull ups will only be done at Muscular Strength and Endurance PT (every other day when not in the field). It is not on the APFT. You will never be tested on it during CBT.

Take it from a bad runner-- run hills before basic. But don't worry, you will improve your run time immensely during CBT.

Biggest pain in the ass PT wise during CBT is the over the head arm clap. Cadre love this.

Most common PT stuff: push ups, sit ups, squats, flutter kicks, lunges
 
From what I have read, it seems that there is a lot more muscular strength training than cardiovascular training. Is a 14 minute 2-mile considered slow or average?
I'm still confused on how PT is conducted. Is one day completely devoted to push-ups, sit-ups ect. And the next day is devoted to running or is there a day that both are combined (excluding the actual fitness test)
During beast does it matter which running group you are put into?
 
From what I have read, it seems that there is a lot more muscular strength training than cardiovascular training. Is a 14 minute 2-mile considered slow or average?
I'm still confused on how PT is conducted. Is one day completely devoted to push-ups, sit-ups ect. And the next day is devoted to running or is there a day that both are combined (excluding the actual fitness test)
During beast does it matter which running group you are put into?

The part is conducted in one day. Actually, my outreach officer said that being in better cardio shape would be better than pure strength. And not really. A 14 min mile time is not necessarily bad. They score you based off of your times, # of pushups, situps in 2 mins. You still wanna shoot for the best time though. I personally have been running more in addition to lifting in preparation.
 
I have yet to run 2 consecutive miles at a fast pace. I'm curious to know what is the min and max for the test.
 
Pull ups will only be done at Muscular Strength and Endurance PT (every other day when not in the field). It is not on the APFT. You will never be tested on it during CBT.

Sorry, brain fade on my part. I thought I had corrected that, yes, pullups are not part of the APFT, I was thinking pushups.

The part is conducted in one day. Actually, my outreach officer said that being in better cardio shape would be better than pure strength. And not really. A 14 min mile time is not necessarily bad. They score you based off of your times, # of pushups, situps in 2 mins. You still wanna shoot for the best time though. I personally have been running more in addition to lifting in preparation.

While the APFT is tested in a single day, you'll do extensive PT almost every day during beast. And not just during PT periods!!! Sometimes before you go to bed, while waiting, because you forgot to tuck in your boot laces, etc.

Based upon their scores they are separated in to various groups such as black, gold, white, ect. Can someone elaborate on how the grouping process works. As well as what 2-mile time you need to run for each group.

You are referring to the run groups. Cadets can comment, but from DS's input it's not a big deal.... you are just placed in groups based on running speed. It's primarily for logistics and keeping a good workout. Your run group has no impact on your military or physical grade. (other things do) Pretty much you just don't want to be in the last group unless you are a football lineman, and if you were ready for the 1st group you'd not be asking the question. :smile:

Depending on your speed you may even move up or down in the run groups during beast.

Is a 14 minute 2-mile considered slow or average?

For the regular Army it's average.... would yield an 86. 13:00 would yield 100.

But USMA is graded to a different scale. Maxing the Army APFT will not result in an A, it would be A- or B+.

And an 86 across all three (run, situps, pushups) would just be a C-.

So to your question- regular army "average" is USMA slow. Many cadets will max all three, and some will "supermax" to get an A+ rather than an A-/B+.

So a "max" on all three would be the target to shoot for. Which would allow you to move into A/A+ territory. You have to max all three (100's) to allow a better than max score to count. IE: in one or two of the three. The USMA scoring goes up to 125 in each category.

APFT is a key part of your physical grade. You have to pass it, but it also impacts your cadet rank, etc. Not a huge amount, but enough. And you'll need it to balance out the strict DPE grading on plebe PE classes.

But more importantly, if you can do well on the APFT you are also positioned to be a much less miserable cadet candidate during beast. Running on the hills, land nav in ACU's, getting smoked, etc. :thumb:
 
I have yet to run 2 consecutive miles at a fast pace. I'm curious to know what is the min and max for the test.


It sounds like it matches exactly with the Army PT test standards, and you can find this just by a quick Google search of 'army PT scores.':thumb:
 
I have yet to run 2 consecutive miles at a fast pace. I'm curious to know what is the min and max for the test.
Times vary by gender and age. The table is found all over the place, but I googled and the first link is here:

http://armyrotc.missouri.edu/pdfs-docs/APFT Documents/2-mile_run.pdf

Per this link, 14 mins would yield a score of 86 for a 17-21 yr. old male. A score of 59 disqualifies a cadet, and under 80 generally is considered sub-par. Most cadets in the Academy, or in ROTC, try to get to 100 in all three measured events, whether that takes a semester, or three years.
 
And for a female? I understand the minimum requirements, but what is considered "respectable" or good? I can run a 2 mile in around 13:30-14:00 without too much difficulty, I am hoping that will be sufficient...cross country has altered my view of "fast" and "slow" paces.

My question I guess is for training, what pace, and for how long is best?

I have been hearing from my sister (who is at training following rotc) that a new fitness test is now being implemented/tested? Is West Point affected by this as well?

Thank you very much.
 
And for a female? I understand the minimum requirements, but what is considered "respectable" or good? I can run a 2 mile in around 13:30-14:00 without too much difficulty, I am hoping that will be sufficient...cross country has altered my view of "fast" and "slow" paces.

My question I guess is for training, what pace, and for how long is best?

I have been hearing from my sister (who is at training following rotc) that a new fitness test is now being implemented/tested? Is West Point affected by this as well?

Thank you very much.

For a female, your pace would be maxing the APFT run, which is a better time than most of the males are going to get honestly. For training, find 3-7 mile run paths with hills and time every time you do the run trying to get a lower time each time. This will help track your progress and push you harder. The new APFT is in the making and has not be officially implemented yet. West Point should not be affected by it until it becomes Army doctrine.
 
After reading "The Diary of a West Point Cadet" I came across some interesting information and I'm wondering if such things are still true today at the academy.
Due to the lack of time during beast, sometimes cadets have to take showers with other cadets?
During Plebe duties the upperclassmen can delay the process how ever long they want, such as stoping the laundry delivery?
 
Yeah- sometimes, you have to double or triple up in the showers. At first, it's awkward, but by the end of the first week, you won't care.

Duties: Yes and No. They can make it harder for you to deliver the laundry. However, you have stuff that you need to do and so do they. They won't stop them for a ridiculous amount of time, but they will PT you in order for you to learn your lesson and deliver the laundry correctly the next time laundry duties happen.
 
How often does this occur?

Every single morning after PT to rush for breakfast.

That is what I saw this past Summer as cadre. Obviously there is not set value but I would say that it is pretty high during that critical time between PT and breakfast because a lot of the time there isn't much time to change and everyone (including cadre) need to shower and get ready.
 
Is showering at that time mandatory?

You have a very limited amt of time to shower, and if you begin to smell it will most certainly become mandatory (and after morning PT you will probably smell). Even after CBT most of the barracks have no curtains around showerheads even if you have your own. You will shower with others all 4 years-- get used to it.

Plebe duties can run as long as the upperclassmen want without interfering with Evening Study Period. I have often seen laundry duties run two nights because the 1SG spends so much time "developing" the plebes.
 
Is showering at that time mandatory?

Showering after an hour long work out? While it is not a written rule, you might as well consider it one. If you don't, it will be pretty obvious to the cadre and your classmates who will stand next to you at close proximity for extended periods of time during Beast. Be it lunch or a small room for a briefing, someone will notice. Not only will this get your cadre to pay more attention to you and keep tabs on you to shower (because personal hygene is very important and stressed during Beast) but people will occasionaly refer to you as "that guy who didn't shower" for the next 4 years when talking about you to others.

Prickly heat is bad enough when you do shower so I can't imagine how bad it will be without one. :eek:

Sharing showerheads will mostly occur during Beast after which you can shower and work out on your own time. If your concern is sharing a shower room then unless you wait until midnight or wake up at 3am to shower, you WILL be in the same room as others when you shower.

In short, as Vampsoul said, it is something you will have to get over.
 
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